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this hope radio for the masses headline

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of the food reliably 1947

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here are the Air Force with Rezanov

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start applying the toughest found and is

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now in the possession of the are they

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the game is rigged change the game

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game-changer I occasionally think how

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quickly our differences worldwide would

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vanish if we were facing an alien threat

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from outside this way

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fade to black with your host Jimmy

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church on the game-changer Radio Network

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I need your help to get to the

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you are listening to fade to black with

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Jimmy touch on the game change in that

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welcome fade to black

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mass's how you doing how do you do it

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how you doing

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September 27 2018

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273 days into the new year just 92 days

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left as always we are live from a bunker

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somewhere in the middle of beautiful

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Burbank California and I would like to

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welcome everybody listening all around

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the world all across the United States

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hither and thither to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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and south far and near this is fade to

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black for kjc are the game changer

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Network in kg RA the planets are meals

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to me Church

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what is cracking everybody how you doing

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yeah it's gonna be one of those nights

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tonight on the show and first off very

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excited very special guest Dean Radin is

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here finally I know I know we're going

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to be discussing for the first time on

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fade to black by the way his career the

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science of parapsychology yes we're

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gonna discuss the CIA and Stargate in

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his latest book which is called real

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magic and the links for real magic are

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right there at Jimmy Turks radio comm

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you can go in and check out the book it

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is it's one of those reads that's one of

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those reads and Dean Radin is joining us

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tonight

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first time that we've ever done this in

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that we've gone four straight nights

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this week four shows four amazing guests

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and not to have a Fator night on

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Thursday night which we've been doing

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that for years

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right and feel strange to me but when we

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have the opportunity to to have on a

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guest like Dean Radin everything changes

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that's it that's it I ignore the

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audience I ignore the fun of open lines

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engage in conversation tonight that that

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I've been looking forward to for a very

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long time okay so get ready for that

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Dean will be with us at the bottom of

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the hour don't forget all of our social

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calm ons te ll a are calm go and sign up

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register it is the next great social

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it's right there on stellar comm also

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Twitter okay very simple at J Church

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radio and what you want to do follow me

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at a church radio hashtag F to B is the

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sandbox every single night I announce it

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thousand tweets on this show with you

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something like that you need to go over

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it's really that simple and you see what

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hashtag f2b now hashtag f2b Q is fade to

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black questions alright it's that simple

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email is Jimmy at Jimmy Church radio

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calm okay now I didn't announce this I

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made a little blurb on Twitter about

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this right before the show but some huge

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breaking news and exclusively right now

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I'm going to do it let's get to it to

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the Stars Academy of Arts and Science

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Inc has just released their semi annual

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financial report to the security and

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that's right the SEC in Washington DC

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you can view the entire report and

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filing at SEC gov now I'm not an

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accountant but I will break down what I

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can for you in just a few minutes the

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report was signed by Tom DeLonge

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luis thomasino james jim semi van and

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harold a putt off signed two days ago on

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September 25th okay all right

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stick around I'll break it down for you

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the best that I can in just a few

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minutes other breaking news the

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University of Central Florida is now

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selling Martian dirt for twenty dollars

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a kilogram plus shipping this is not

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fake news by the way the team of UCF

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astrophysicists has developed a

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scientifically based standardized method

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for creating Martian and asteroid soil

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known as simulants that's si mu la NTS

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simulants and first off you got to ask

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why well scientists are looking for ways

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to grow food on Mars and need to test

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their techniques on soil that most

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closely resembles the stuff on Mars the

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team already has about thirty pending

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orders including one from Kennedy Space

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Center for a half a ton of the stuff I

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gotta get me I gotta get me a kilogram

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of Martian dirt sounds like fun

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some Martian mud pies yeah and you can

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get it University of Central Florida now

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also breaking news today a new hidden

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Mayan pyramid has been found among

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thousands of ancient Maya structures

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revealed by new aerial survey using

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lidar by an international team of

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archaeologists in northern Guatemala

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yeah you should see it too it is

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ginormous I'll get the links up over

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here on Twitter during the break and

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also huge breaking news for all of you

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fast food fanatics out there because

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McDonald's announced today that the

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seven classic burgers on its menu are

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now served almost entirely without

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healthy additives that means everything

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from a plain hamburger

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sandwich is now available without

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birthday to today meatloaf the one and

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only today is 71 years old

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Gweneth Paltrow today is 46 and not only

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does she make the list because of the

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Royal Tenenbaums and I know you expect

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me to say that but there's a really cool

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movie that she was in a little

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independent sci-fi film called Sky

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Captain and the World of Tomorrow and if

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you've never seen that film go and check

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it out the technology how that film was

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done literally in an apartment at least

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the first versions of it it's an

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incredible film great special of

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Sky Captain and the world look tomorrow

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and of course she plays Pepper Potts in

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all of those Marvel films also today

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Cassidy today is 60 on this day in

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history in 1536 and Bolin the second

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executed on charges including adultery

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and here you go here's our fader fact

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are you ready the bumblebee bat is not

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only the world's smallest bat but it's

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also the world's smallest mammal it

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weighs in at only two grams and there's

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your fader fact tonight very special

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guest Dean Radin is here we're gonna

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talk about his new book it is the first

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time he's been on the show but his new

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book is real magic and Dean has always

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been on the forefront of science and the

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mind and we're gonna go through all of

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now I mentioned earlier there's breaking

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news let me hit my fade to black coffee

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before I get to this because it's pretty

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insane as I mentioned at the top of the

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show to the stars Academy of Arts and

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Science Inc has just released their semi

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annual financial report to the

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that's right the SEC in Washington DC

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and you can read the entire report and

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filing on sec.gov and I also stated that

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I'm not an accountant I'm not but after

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reading through the full report a few

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things really stick out again the report

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was signed by Tom DeLonge Lewis Tomasino

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James Jim semi van and Harold put off

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just two days ago on September 25th now

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the opening of the filing has your basic

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when you scroll down you will find a

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section called note 2 in note 2 of the

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filing it reads as follows now I need

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you to listen to every word this is a

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direct quote from the report and I quote

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now the accompanying financial

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statements have been prepared on a

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ongoing concern basis which contemplates

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the realization of assets and the

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satisfaction of liabilities in the

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normal course of business the company

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has incurred losses from operations and

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2018 of 37 million four hundred and

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thirty two thousand dollars these

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factors raised doubt about the company's

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ability to continue as a going concern

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again I'm not an accountant I'm not sure

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what this really says okay I see a debt

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of 37 million four hundred thirty-two

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thousand dollars and I see the next line

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that says this raises doubt about the

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company's ability to continue as a going

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concern but next the filing opens at the

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top with item one which says and again I

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while progress on program initiatives is

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still pending sufficient funding the

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company was able to achieve the

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following during interim 2018 number one

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launched community of interest website

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number two continued ongoing meetings

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with potential strategic partners

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including discussions with the US

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government

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number three prepared to launch the atom

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research project to investigate

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materials relevant to its future plans

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in space-time metric engineering st m e

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number three officially released novel

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poet anderson in darkness and four

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closed on 1 million $26,000 of funding

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from its regulation a offering it's this

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last point that is very interesting

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because on the TTS a website they had a

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counter showing 2.5 million dollars

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raised so far and this number never

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changed it just stayed a two point five

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million all year but this filing shows

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only one million and twenty six thousand

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dollars 424 now that ticker the 2.5

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million ticker never went to 2.6 never

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went to 2.7 ever 122.8 it started at 2.5

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million and stayed there all year they

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actually only raised 1 million in twenty

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six thousand and four hundred and

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twenty-four dollars that counter is now

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missing from the to the Stars website it

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does show two thousand five hundred and

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forty-seven investors at five dollars

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per share with the minimum of two

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hundred dollars of investment at that

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minimum some invested more for sure it's

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only five hundred and nine thousand four

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hundred dollars and now we know the real

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number raised is only 1 million and

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twenty six thousand dollars so why show

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2.5 million dollars all year I don't

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know I don't have an opinion on that I'm

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only stating the facts also directly

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from the

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port you get these following numbers

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current assets cash now listen to

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everything that I am saying I am quoting

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directly from the SEC filing current

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assets cash one hundred and twenty nine

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thousand five hundred and thirty four

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dollars accounts receivable eight

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thousand one hundred and eighteen

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dollars inventory one hundred and

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fourteen thousand three hundred and

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thirty-two dollars other assets one

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hundred and sixty two thousand two

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hundred and three dollars total current

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assets four hundred and fourteen

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thousand one hundred and eighty-seven

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dollars advertising expenses were twenty

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two thousand seven hundred and eighty

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four dollars in 2017 and one hundred and

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fifty eight thousand two hundred and

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seventeen dollars for the six months

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ended June 30th 2018 the report

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continues with the following furniture

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and fixtures forty eight thousand one

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hundred and thirty seven dollars

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machinery and equipment one hundred and

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sixty thousand seven hundred and fifty

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eight dollars leasehold improvements

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three hundred and seventy two thousand

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five hundred and thirty seven dollars

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total property and equipment through

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June 30th 2018 five hundred and eighty

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1432 dollars now what about salaries the

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only part on the financial statements

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where anything is relevant to this it

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states general and administrative cost

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two hundred and forty six thousand three

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hundred and thirty-four dollars but

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there's a second number sales and

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marketing five hundred and ninety four

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thousand six

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hundred and twenty-eight dollars I'm

360
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going to continue to very crucial

361
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numbers revenues for 2018 revenues for

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2018 are three hundred and sixty nine

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thousand five hundred and ten dollars

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with a gross profit for 2018 of just one

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hundred and thirty three thousand six

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hundred and two dollars now this does

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not make any sense to me

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I don't understand much of this because

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I'm not an accountant and I'll say it

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again before I'm done but I'll read

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again the last couple of lines from note

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2 the company has incurred losses from

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operations that has an accumulated

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deficit at June 30th 2018 of 37 million

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four hundred and thirty two thousand

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dollars these factors raise doubt about

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the company's ability to continue as a

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going concern

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end quote again I'm not an accountant

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but T TSA is a public company

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hence this filing with the SEC and

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posted on sec.gov where anyone can check

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it out for review there will be many

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talented eyes on this document through

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the days and weeks ahead and maybe

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someone out there can make sense of it

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all and let's all hope it's not as bad

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as it seems

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but for me my only opinion is this is

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nuts because it doesn't make any sense I

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don't know where a 37 million dollar

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debt comes from

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and it just may be some fancy account

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speak for something to do with stock or

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borrowed money or rich people talk I

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really don't have any idea but one thing

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is for sure the financial report is not

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what I expected to see there are a lot

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of concerns about to the stars Academy

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Arts and Science Inc and I understand

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that today there was a metallurgy

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scientific report that was released I'm

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still getting through that there are

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questions about that too as well and I'm

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gonna get to the bottom of it and I need

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to bring on some very talented guests

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that know about not only the materials

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that are tested but how the testing is

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done so you can expect that in the

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immediate days and weeks ahead but going

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back to the shows the show earlier this

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week where we had John Greenwald on

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where we had this singular Freedom of

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Information Act document that had the

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final of the only mention of a tip out

416
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there and we got that and we presented

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that there have been a list of questions

418
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that I have been talking about on this

419
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show for a very long time and it's only

420
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about the obvious my concern always

421
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always no matter who the guest is or

422
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what we are talking about is the

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community that's it it is community

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first and that's why this document today

425
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this financial statement from to the

426
00:23:46,540 --> 00:23:43,340
stars was presented here tonight because

427
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I don't know it is news I don't have an

428
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opinion I'm not an accountant I need

429
00:23:54,250 --> 00:23:51,110
everybody else to lay eyes on it and

430
00:23:56,380 --> 00:23:54,260
this community going back to anything

431
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that has been controversial over the

432
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years has been able to figure it out on

433
00:24:02,320 --> 00:23:59,930
their own

434
00:24:04,180 --> 00:24:02,330
there's too many smart people that are a

435
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:04,190
part of this community and it doesn't

436
00:24:08,700 --> 00:24:06,610
matter what's your area of X

437
00:24:12,210 --> 00:24:08,710
tee's is it maybe computers it maybe

438
00:24:14,570 --> 00:24:12,220
photo analysis it maybe history it could

439
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:14,580
be anything it can be linguistics

440
00:24:19,350 --> 00:24:17,650
anything right and you guys are the best

441
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:19,360
and the brightest and you are able to go

442
00:24:25,020 --> 00:24:22,090
and look at stuff and figure it out very

443
00:24:27,419 --> 00:24:25,030
very quickly and that's what this show

444
00:24:31,289 --> 00:24:27,429
is about and that's why I presented this

445
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tonight and it is our last show of the

446
00:24:35,010 --> 00:24:32,710
week we're gonna head into the weekend

447
00:24:37,289 --> 00:24:35,020
and Monday is gonna roll around and

448
00:24:39,780 --> 00:24:37,299
we'll be able to regroup and figure out

449
00:24:42,539 --> 00:24:39,790
what is actually going on and that is

450
00:24:44,700 --> 00:24:42,549
what is most important here you know and

451
00:24:50,549 --> 00:24:44,710
I want to say one other thing really

452
00:24:52,470 --> 00:24:50,559
quick there are I was sitting and

453
00:24:55,500 --> 00:24:52,480
discussing it doesn't matter with who I

454
00:24:59,130 --> 00:24:55,510
was sitting in discussing yesterday and

455
00:25:02,419 --> 00:24:59,140
today the situations that are going on

456
00:25:05,220 --> 00:25:02,429
all the way around us in every single

457
00:25:08,220 --> 00:25:05,230
segment of our community right now and

458
00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:08,230
it seems like it's a little chaotic and

459
00:25:14,100 --> 00:25:10,480
a little rough and it doesn't matter for

460
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:14,110
discussing Egypt or lost history it just

461
00:25:17,490 --> 00:25:14,970
doesn't matter

462
00:25:20,460 --> 00:25:17,500
and and the researchers that are

463
00:25:22,830 --> 00:25:20,470
involved there or if it's ufology and if

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00:25:26,930 --> 00:25:22,840
it's to the Stars or if it's other

465
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:26,940
whistleblowers and and if you yesterday

466
00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:30,250
guy in the trademarking of disclosure

467
00:25:36,090 --> 00:25:33,130
and and you go all the way around from

468
00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:36,100
goes to bigfoot and if you pick a

469
00:25:41,490 --> 00:25:39,130
researcher pick a segment and there is

470
00:25:44,669 --> 00:25:41,500
something going on right now so look

471
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:44,679
it's okay we have to look at it like

472
00:25:49,830 --> 00:25:48,010
this first off it's exciting right it's

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00:25:52,380 --> 00:25:49,840
exciting we have breaking news all the

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way around us but the second point that

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00:25:57,690 --> 00:25:56,080
I want to make very clear so all of you

476
00:26:01,830 --> 00:25:57,700
can just kick back and relax

477
00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:01,840
this community is a family and if we

478
00:26:08,940 --> 00:26:06,000
don't have the ability and the fun of

479
00:26:11,789 --> 00:26:08,950
arguing and fighting and figuring stuff

480
00:26:15,090 --> 00:26:11,799
out amongst us then there's no reason to

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00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:15,100
do any of this that's what is to be

482
00:26:20,220 --> 00:26:18,010
expected it's just like Thanksgiving

483
00:26:22,530 --> 00:26:20,230
where everything is just blah

484
00:26:25,409 --> 00:26:22,540
going up you know what but you wake up

485
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:25,419
the next day and we fight another fight

486
00:26:33,450 --> 00:26:28,570
that's it and that's that's what's going

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00:26:36,090 --> 00:26:33,460
on so think about it okay it's all good

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this is fade to black I am your host

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Jimmy church tonight somebody that I've

490
00:26:44,940 --> 00:26:42,640
respected for so many years is finally

491
00:26:48,690 --> 00:26:44,950
here in fade to black and that is Dean

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00:26:51,530 --> 00:26:48,700
Radin PhD so get ready when we talk

493
00:26:54,270 --> 00:26:51,540
about those exciting subjects of of

494
00:26:56,970 --> 00:26:54,280
quantum mechanics and quantum theory and

495
00:26:59,270 --> 00:26:56,980
the science and parallel worlds and what

496
00:27:01,680 --> 00:26:59,280
is going on at the atomic and subatomic

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00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:01,690
level and and how everything is

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00:27:07,140 --> 00:27:03,490
connected and how we communicate in

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00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:07,150
telepathy and all of these things right

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00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:10,330
and remote viewing this is what Dean has

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00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:13,290
been talking about for decades and

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science right now is right on the edge

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of proving all of these fantastic

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subjects that we've been talking about

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00:27:26,220 --> 00:27:23,860
for all of these years and tonight we're

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gonna do that with Dean Radin I'm very

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00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:28,330
excited about that so get ready when I

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00:27:35,010 --> 00:27:30,490
come back after this short break we'll

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be joined by Dean Radin and not only not

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00:27:42,900 --> 00:27:38,980
only that but I have asked Dean to allow

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00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:42,910
me to discuss his career and his past

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00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:45,490
the things that brought me to Dean first

513
00:27:50,190 --> 00:27:47,440
so we're gonna do that and then we're

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gonna go through it all tonight from

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aidid a tizzy I'm yours Jimmy church

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this is fade to black you can follow me

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Jimmy church radio calm it's all simple

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00:28:06,860 --> 00:28:03,070
and I'll be right back with tonight's

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guest Dean Radin stay with me

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[Music]

602
00:32:57,709 --> 00:32:55,960
welcome back fade to black I'm Hill

603
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Jimmy Church I guess tonight Dean Radin

604
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no fate or night tonight no open lies

605
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it's just another great show now

606
00:33:09,989 --> 00:33:08,049
tonight's we're gonna cover everything

607
00:33:12,269 --> 00:33:09,999
we're gonna do brief history of magic

608
00:33:13,829 --> 00:33:12,279
I'm gonna talk about that yeah we're

609
00:33:16,889 --> 00:33:13,839
gonna go back to ancient history all the

610
00:33:18,690 --> 00:33:16,899
way to a scientific fact today we're

611
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gonna reveal the scientific evidence for

612
00:33:23,070 --> 00:33:20,619
magic a series of simple but effective

613
00:33:25,709 --> 00:33:23,080
magical techniques and the vision of

614
00:33:27,989 --> 00:33:25,719
scientifically informed magic explaining

615
00:33:31,589 --> 00:33:27,999
why magic will play a key role in the

616
00:33:33,629 --> 00:33:31,599
frontiers of science Dean Radin PhD is

617
00:33:37,109 --> 00:33:33,639
the chief scientist at the Institute of

618
00:33:39,930 --> 00:33:37,119
noetic sciences ions and before joining

619
00:33:42,719 --> 00:33:39,940
the research staff at ions back in 2001

620
00:33:43,349 --> 00:33:42,729
he had held appointments at AT&T Bell

621
00:33:45,389 --> 00:33:43,359
Labs

622
00:33:48,089 --> 00:33:45,399
so did I I got to talk to Dean about

623
00:33:51,180 --> 00:33:48,099
that Princeton University University of

624
00:33:53,669 --> 00:33:51,190
Edinburgh and SR I international he is

625
00:33:56,009 --> 00:33:53,679
the author or co-author of over 250

626
00:33:58,289 --> 00:33:56,019
technical and popular articles three

627
00:33:59,820 --> 00:33:58,299
dozen book chapters and three books

628
00:34:02,669 --> 00:33:59,830
including the award-winning the

629
00:34:05,700 --> 00:34:02,679
conscious universe entangled Minds in

630
00:34:08,549 --> 00:34:05,710
the 2014 silver Nautilus Book Award

631
00:34:10,319 --> 00:34:08,559
winner supernormal his latest work is

632
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called of course real magic and the

633
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links are over at Jimmy Church radio.com

634
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that was released back in April of this

635
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year his website is noetic dot org and I

636
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would like to welcome for the first time

637
00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:22,990
to fade to black Dean Radin Dean good

638
00:34:26,669 --> 00:34:24,089
evening man how are you

639
00:34:28,769 --> 00:34:26,679
and doing great Jimmy thanks very much

640
00:34:30,930 --> 00:34:28,779
and you know you know you get the

641
00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:30,940
first-time guests disclaimer Dean so we

642
00:34:35,339 --> 00:34:33,129
got to do that first you ready yep

643
00:34:37,260 --> 00:34:35,349
okay let's go it's just you and I

644
00:34:38,789 --> 00:34:37,270
sitting on my couch and having a

645
00:34:40,619 --> 00:34:38,799
conversation as friends and where that

646
00:34:42,450 --> 00:34:40,629
conversation starts it starts where it

647
00:34:44,460 --> 00:34:42,460
ends it ends but we're gonna end his

648
00:34:47,879 --> 00:34:44,470
friends there you go you're ready to go

649
00:34:51,419 --> 00:34:47,889
sure now you know what's funny Dean over

650
00:34:52,950 --> 00:34:51,429
the years where I have gone and listened

651
00:34:57,660 --> 00:34:52,960
to your interviews and your

652
00:34:59,789 --> 00:34:57,670
presentations you are so relaxed you

653
00:35:02,609 --> 00:34:59,799
know and I'm like it maybe tonight Dean

654
00:35:04,710 --> 00:35:02,619
is gonna he's gonna he's gonna bring it

655
00:35:05,700 --> 00:35:04,720
up but you always stay calm cool and

656
00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:05,710
collected

657
00:35:10,980 --> 00:35:09,040
with these very scientific subjects how

658
00:35:16,430 --> 00:35:10,990
do you how do you maintain that

659
00:35:18,900 --> 00:35:16,440
self-control well I suppose it's just

660
00:35:22,170 --> 00:35:18,910
part of the way that I am see you're

661
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:22,180
doing it now but it's really true I mean

662
00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:24,130
of course I am I'm quite passionate

663
00:35:31,140 --> 00:35:29,200
about the work that I do but I I don't

664
00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:31,150
know I think it's not that different

665
00:35:36,870 --> 00:35:34,089
among scientists like if you're highly

666
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:36,880
emotional as a scientist you probably

667
00:35:40,799 --> 00:35:38,890
can't do your job very well well what

668
00:35:43,470 --> 00:35:40,809
about you oh and when you're hanging out

669
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:43,480
with your scientist buddies alone and

670
00:35:50,940 --> 00:35:45,490
nobody else's around you guys jump up

671
00:35:52,319 --> 00:35:50,950
and down once in a while no no and

672
00:35:55,170 --> 00:35:52,329
that's what I expect and that's what

673
00:35:57,770 --> 00:35:55,180
I've always seen in you and let's do

674
00:36:00,990 --> 00:35:57,780
this first beef let's let's go back

675
00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:01,000
before ions

676
00:36:07,859 --> 00:36:04,089
you know 2001 let's go way back before

677
00:36:11,579 --> 00:36:07,869
start let's let's go back back and as a

678
00:36:13,650 --> 00:36:11,589
child did you what what attracted you to

679
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:13,660
this did you have abilities was there

680
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:16,210
something that trigger did you have an

681
00:36:22,770 --> 00:36:20,290
epiphany that that led you here actually

682
00:36:26,460 --> 00:36:22,780
when I was a child I I don't recall any

683
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:26,470
psychic experiences that I had had nor

684
00:36:31,819 --> 00:36:29,170
anyone in my family who ever even talked

685
00:36:34,740 --> 00:36:31,829
about the subject I grew up in a

686
00:36:39,150 --> 00:36:34,750
non-religious family my religion was

687
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:39,160
never a topic of discussion so I think

688
00:36:45,870 --> 00:36:42,130
what sparked my interest was science

689
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:45,880
fiction it's I read all of the science

690
00:36:50,819 --> 00:36:47,770
fiction I could find in a library when I

691
00:36:52,500 --> 00:36:50,829
was in junior high school and when I ran

692
00:36:54,569 --> 00:36:52,510
out of science fiction I read fairy

693
00:36:57,900 --> 00:36:54,579
tales and then I started reading

694
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mythology and basically I read I read a

695
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:01,359
lot so the thing that struck me even as

696
00:37:08,700 --> 00:37:04,690
a kid was how strange it was in most of

697
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:08,710
this these genre of books from science

698
00:37:13,890 --> 00:37:11,410
fiction fairy tales and a whole lot it

699
00:37:18,150 --> 00:37:13,900
they took psychic phenomena or at least

700
00:37:19,210 --> 00:37:18,160
special mental powers for granted so it

701
00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:19,220
always I thought well

702
00:37:27,070 --> 00:37:22,880
this is this is strange because if these

703
00:37:29,770 --> 00:37:27,080
stories felt completely outlandish like

704
00:37:31,839 --> 00:37:29,780
it's ridiculous then why do people

705
00:37:33,460 --> 00:37:31,849
gravitate to it because you see it in

706
00:37:37,060 --> 00:37:33,470
fiction everywhere it's been around

707
00:37:39,910 --> 00:37:37,070
forever and so I never forgot that that

708
00:37:43,990 --> 00:37:39,920
the I wonder if this stuff is real and

709
00:37:46,870 --> 00:37:44,000
so you jump 20 to 30 years in the future

710
00:37:49,359 --> 00:37:46,880
and you have tens of millions of fans of

711
00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:49,369
Harry Potter for exactly the same reason

712
00:37:54,849 --> 00:37:52,400
right that these ideas resonate with

713
00:37:57,339 --> 00:37:54,859
people at some level and so lots of

714
00:37:59,980 --> 00:37:57,349
people are curious whether they've had

715
00:38:01,570 --> 00:37:59,990
any psychic experiences or not as to

716
00:38:03,849 --> 00:38:01,580
whether these things might actually be

717
00:38:05,770 --> 00:38:03,859
true or that that's what I was that's

718
00:38:07,060 --> 00:38:05,780
what attracted me and what about like

719
00:38:09,910 --> 00:38:07,070
uri geller

720
00:38:14,230 --> 00:38:09,920
you know who did so much to bring this

721
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:14,240
into popular culture right and that is a

722
00:38:21,250 --> 00:38:18,290
bona fide part of our society wanting to

723
00:38:23,050 --> 00:38:21,260
believe and and he's presenting it out

724
00:38:25,859 --> 00:38:23,060
there to the masses like that did he

725
00:38:31,420 --> 00:38:25,869
have any effect on you

726
00:38:36,670 --> 00:38:31,430
well I suppose although the moment that

727
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:36,680
anybody is a performer then there's

728
00:38:42,250 --> 00:38:39,890
always some suspicion because the I've

729
00:38:44,710 --> 00:38:42,260
seen I'd know a lot of mentalists these

730
00:38:46,630 --> 00:38:44,720
are performers who can fake psychic

731
00:38:50,020 --> 00:38:46,640
effects and I have a pretty large

732
00:38:52,570 --> 00:38:50,030
collection of Mentalist tricks sure so I

733
00:38:55,540 --> 00:38:52,580
know how most of them work it's always

734
00:38:58,180 --> 00:38:55,550
possible to be fooled but because most

735
00:39:01,660 --> 00:38:58,190
of the standard tricks are easy to spot

736
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:01,670
or at least easy to protect against some

737
00:39:06,339 --> 00:39:03,050
of the things that your regular did

738
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:06,349
could probably be faked so you never

739
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:08,720
know so this is one of the reasons why

740
00:39:13,630 --> 00:39:11,210
both when people tell me about anecdotes

741
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:13,640
things have happened to them I listen

742
00:39:17,500 --> 00:39:15,200
because a lot of times is quite

743
00:39:20,140 --> 00:39:17,510
interesting but you but you don't know

744
00:39:22,050 --> 00:39:20,150
what it is you can't know that's why I

745
00:39:24,310 --> 00:39:22,060
always default to go into the laboratory

746
00:39:25,990 --> 00:39:24,320
because there you do have the

747
00:39:28,810 --> 00:39:26,000
possibility of actually knowing what

748
00:39:31,180 --> 00:39:28,820
happened so I put a much more confidence

749
00:39:32,910 --> 00:39:31,190
on laboratory results than I do on

750
00:39:35,250 --> 00:39:32,920
people who perform a

751
00:39:36,390 --> 00:39:35,260
amazing things and when you go into the

752
00:39:40,350 --> 00:39:36,400
laboratory

753
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:40,360
strangely enough you can have an

754
00:39:45,510 --> 00:39:43,210
attitude maybe going in are you going in

755
00:39:47,940 --> 00:39:45,520
maybe as a skeptic as a hardcore

756
00:39:52,530 --> 00:39:47,950
scientist or are you maybe trying to

757
00:39:54,660 --> 00:39:52,540
actually de bont something well all

758
00:39:56,460 --> 00:39:54,670
science is kept you have to be skeptical

759
00:39:57,090 --> 00:39:56,470
as a scientist otherwise you're not

760
00:40:00,540 --> 00:39:57,100
doing your job

761
00:40:03,540 --> 00:40:00,550
right so you devise a properly

762
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:03,550
controlled study you have to be more

763
00:40:08,340 --> 00:40:05,650
skeptical than people who label

764
00:40:10,140 --> 00:40:08,350
themselves as skeptics you have to think

765
00:40:13,740 --> 00:40:10,150
of every possible way that somebody

766
00:40:15,270 --> 00:40:13,750
could tear apart the protocol and and

767
00:40:16,980 --> 00:40:15,280
you know that people are going to attack

768
00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:16,990
the studies anyway so you really do have

769
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:20,800
to second-guess every possible way of of

770
00:40:25,980 --> 00:40:23,370
making sure the study is is tight and

771
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:25,990
sometimes you'll run a study and you you

772
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:28,450
discover a flaw somebody else discovers

773
00:40:32,190 --> 00:40:30,010
a flaw so you have to do it again

774
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:32,200
so there's lots of iteration to make

775
00:40:38,910 --> 00:40:36,610
sure that you got it right and the the

776
00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:38,920
distinction between proponent and

777
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:41,440
skeptic is actually kind of a false

778
00:40:48,510 --> 00:40:45,850
equivalency if I've sometimes asked to

779
00:40:50,820 --> 00:40:48,520
go on a show where there'll be me and a

780
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:50,830
so-called skeptic who will have a debate

781
00:40:55,890 --> 00:40:53,290
and I've given up on those I don't do

782
00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:55,900
those anymore right and the reason is is

783
00:41:00,840 --> 00:40:58,090
that it's not it's we're not not

784
00:41:04,460 --> 00:41:00,850
standing on the same the same ground

785
00:41:06,870 --> 00:41:04,470
that somebody could debate by saying

786
00:41:09,540 --> 00:41:06,880
well I just simply don't believe it

787
00:41:11,090 --> 00:41:09,550
well that's not debatable anymore you

788
00:41:14,100 --> 00:41:11,100
can only debate when they're actually

789
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:14,110
data that you can talk about an analysis

790
00:41:18,090 --> 00:41:16,330
of data and those things but a lot of

791
00:41:19,890 --> 00:41:18,100
the people who are professional sceptics

792
00:41:23,430 --> 00:41:19,900
they don't talk about data they talk

793
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:23,440
about belief so that's not not worth my

794
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:26,050
time when you when he went to college

795
00:41:30,420 --> 00:41:28,330
what was your focus there

796
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:30,430
you know before Bell Labs and you know

797
00:41:34,350 --> 00:41:31,690
Princeton and so forth

798
00:41:36,450 --> 00:41:34,360
what did you study in school well I

799
00:41:39,150 --> 00:41:36,460
originally thought that I would become a

800
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:39,160
musician I started playing the violin

801
00:41:45,750 --> 00:41:42,490
when I was five and I played in the next

802
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:45,760
20 years probably practicing between an

803
00:41:48,510 --> 00:41:46,330
hour and

804
00:41:51,420 --> 00:41:48,520
three hours and four hours every day Wow

805
00:41:55,050 --> 00:41:51,430
so I was on a career track to be a

806
00:41:59,040 --> 00:41:55,060
concert violinist and somewhere during

807
00:42:01,950 --> 00:41:59,050
college I realized that it's really hard

808
00:42:04,170 --> 00:42:01,960
to be a musician no one bothered to tell

809
00:42:06,630 --> 00:42:04,180
me that being a musician means you're an

810
00:42:09,540 --> 00:42:06,640
athlete you're making you're living with

811
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:09,550
your body essentially and I've never

812
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:11,890
been particularly strong and you need to

813
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:14,410
be strong to be a musician especially

814
00:42:20,100 --> 00:42:17,130
professional that's right so I asked

815
00:42:22,740 --> 00:42:20,110
everyone I knew if you're not going to

816
00:42:24,990 --> 00:42:22,750
be a musician what else should you do to

817
00:42:27,390 --> 00:42:25,000
earn a living well a lot of people said

818
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:27,400
well go into engineering well

819
00:42:32,100 --> 00:42:29,890
fortunately I was also good in math and

820
00:42:34,490 --> 00:42:32,110
in science so I went into electrical

821
00:42:37,290 --> 00:42:34,500
engineering because I like to make stuff

822
00:42:38,970 --> 00:42:37,300
and that that was fun so that turned out

823
00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:38,980
to be well and it was probably the

824
00:42:41,730 --> 00:42:40,960
correct choice that if you can you want

825
00:42:44,310 --> 00:42:41,740
to make a living

826
00:42:46,830 --> 00:42:44,320
become an engineer if you can do it and

827
00:42:49,620 --> 00:42:46,840
so I graduated in electrical engineering

828
00:42:51,690 --> 00:42:49,630
I went on to get a masters in electrical

829
00:42:53,630 --> 00:42:51,700
engineering because at that point I

830
00:42:56,820 --> 00:42:53,640
actually didn't know what I wanted to do

831
00:42:58,680 --> 00:42:56,830
and then I switched into psychology and

832
00:43:02,820 --> 00:42:58,690
got my doctorate and experimental

833
00:43:05,790 --> 00:43:02,830
psychology still not quite sure what I

834
00:43:08,550 --> 00:43:05,800
wanted to do what were you when you went

835
00:43:12,690 --> 00:43:08,560
to Bell Labs i ee your electrical

836
00:43:15,450 --> 00:43:12,700
engineer there no when I graduated with

837
00:43:16,980 --> 00:43:15,460
my doctor in psychology at that point I

838
00:43:19,530 --> 00:43:16,990
learned that there actually is a

839
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:19,540
discipline where it's very useful to

840
00:43:23,550 --> 00:43:21,280
have a combination of engineering and

841
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:23,560
psychology namely an engineering

842
00:43:30,180 --> 00:43:26,170
psychologist otherwise known as a human

843
00:43:32,580 --> 00:43:30,190
factors were required so I realized oh I

844
00:43:35,390 --> 00:43:32,590
guess I've been trained unbeknownst to

845
00:43:38,250 --> 00:43:35,400
me to be a specialist in human-computer

846
00:43:40,590 --> 00:43:38,260
interaction so that's that's what I did

847
00:43:44,660 --> 00:43:40,600
when I was at Bell Labs I worked on the

848
00:43:47,550 --> 00:43:44,670
human interface to the very complicated

849
00:43:49,770 --> 00:43:47,560
electronic and computer systems that at

850
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:49,780
the time Rand ran the bed the Bell

851
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:52,960
System oh really which labs were you at

852
00:43:59,280 --> 00:43:56,290
I was my home base was in Columbus Ohio

853
00:44:02,910 --> 00:43:59,290
but I spent a fair amount of time and

854
00:44:06,090 --> 00:44:02,920
way and at the various labs locations in

855
00:44:09,510 --> 00:44:06,100
New Jersey I would had a Bell Labs

856
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:09,520
Indianapolis yes I think I went there

857
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:12,490
once I went to most of the labs at least

858
00:44:20,970 --> 00:44:17,970
once but mostly it was an approval and

859
00:44:22,830 --> 00:44:20,980
Holmdel those at those tubes yeah I

860
00:44:26,910 --> 00:44:22,840
guess the important ones wait you know

861
00:44:30,780 --> 00:44:26,920
we were what was we were Bell Labs

862
00:44:32,580 --> 00:44:30,790
Indianapolis it was exciting but it was

863
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:32,590
it was small compared to what was going

864
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:35,050
on in New Jerseyan in other locations

865
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:37,810
and and my gig there I was an artist and

866
00:44:44,030 --> 00:44:40,810
I put numbers on keypads for four

867
00:44:48,630 --> 00:44:44,040
designs that was my gig I worked in a

868
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:48,640
photo lab and and generated graphics but

869
00:44:55,490 --> 00:44:51,370
it was it was fun and I learned the ins

870
00:44:58,110 --> 00:44:55,500
and outs of a keypad design that's for

871
00:44:59,940 --> 00:44:58,120
somebody has to do it somebody's got to

872
00:45:02,180 --> 00:44:59,950
do it yes one of the things you learn

873
00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:02,190
and the human factors business is that

874
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:04,720
everything about machinery that people

875
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:07,330
interact with somebody at some point is

876
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:11,170
making a design decision and so to this

877
00:45:16,490 --> 00:45:14,170
day we'll be writing a new car or doing

878
00:45:19,620 --> 00:45:16,500
something with some kind of technology

879
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:19,630
and can really appreciate when you see a

880
00:45:23,610 --> 00:45:21,040
piece of technology that is well

881
00:45:26,490 --> 00:45:23,620
designed because lots of it is not well

882
00:45:29,070 --> 00:45:26,500
designed now you the other day I was

883
00:45:31,050 --> 00:45:29,080
writing a rental car and thinking well I

884
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:31,060
can't find how to open the gas

885
00:45:35,340 --> 00:45:33,490
compartment on this car there's like

886
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:35,350
there's nothing there's nothing that

887
00:45:39,750 --> 00:45:37,690
tells me how to do that so at the gas

888
00:45:41,850 --> 00:45:39,760
station I had to sit and read the manual

889
00:45:44,130 --> 00:45:41,860
for 30 minutes to figure out how do I

890
00:45:46,170 --> 00:45:44,140
open the gas container on the side of

891
00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:46,180
the car well that should not be the case

892
00:45:50,730 --> 00:45:48,250
should be obvious and that means that

893
00:45:53,190 --> 00:45:50,740
somebody failed in the design yeah it's

894
00:45:55,650 --> 00:45:53,200
exactly the appreciation that I went

895
00:45:58,560 --> 00:45:55,660
after I had left Bell Labs into this day

896
00:46:01,320 --> 00:45:58,570
I am always looking at everything with

897
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:01,330
that same exact set of eyes you know and

898
00:46:07,140 --> 00:46:03,610
it's a constant thing that I can't get

899
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:07,150
that I can't get away from every single

900
00:46:12,310 --> 00:46:10,330
element of everything around you was

901
00:46:14,830 --> 00:46:12,320
designed by somebody it

902
00:46:19,390 --> 00:46:14,840
didn't fall out of the sky it's really

903
00:46:23,020 --> 00:46:19,400
that simple so I'm sure that the

904
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:23,030
psychology part of your education had a

905
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:25,610
lot to do with the way that you look at

906
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:27,410
things so scientifically today because

907
00:46:32,220 --> 00:46:30,410
the engineering degree coupled with all

908
00:46:35,350 --> 00:46:32,230
of this

909
00:46:38,590 --> 00:46:35,360
it's either making things very easy for

910
00:46:40,930 --> 00:46:38,600
you or you can't help yourself but jump

911
00:46:43,330 --> 00:46:40,940
into heavy research on whatever the

912
00:46:47,710 --> 00:46:43,340
subject may be whether it's telekinesis

913
00:46:50,500 --> 00:46:47,720
or or ESP or telepathy well I think to

914
00:46:53,230 --> 00:46:50,510
be effective at at parapsychological

915
00:46:55,660 --> 00:46:53,240
research which is what I focused on now

916
00:46:57,940 --> 00:46:55,670
for almost 40 years it's it's very

917
00:47:00,490 --> 00:46:57,950
useful to have a background that has

918
00:47:02,170 --> 00:47:00,500
some engineering in it so you are able

919
00:47:04,660 --> 00:47:02,180
to deal with technical equipment and

920
00:47:06,100 --> 00:47:04,670
maybe build equipment if you need to the

921
00:47:08,530 --> 00:47:06,110
psychology is very important because

922
00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:08,540
among other things you learn how easy it

923
00:47:12,790 --> 00:47:10,640
is to fool people and to fool yourself

924
00:47:14,850 --> 00:47:12,800
right and at the same time you learn

925
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:14,860
about experimental protocols and

926
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:17,690
statistics and how to do experiments how

927
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:20,690
to interact with people so so all of my

928
00:47:25,990 --> 00:47:23,330
backgrounds seem to come together once I

929
00:47:28,690 --> 00:47:26,000
realize that first of all there was a

930
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:28,700
discipline called parapsychology but

931
00:47:31,810 --> 00:47:29,930
more importantly that I could actually

932
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:31,820
make a living doing this kind of

933
00:47:40,030 --> 00:47:35,450
research and now parapsychology just by

934
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:40,040
definition depending on who you're

935
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:40,850
talking to

936
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:44,330
it's either negative crazy you know

937
00:47:48,460 --> 00:47:46,610
tinfoil hat stuff or it's something

938
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:48,470
that's very exciting and cutting-edge

939
00:47:52,770 --> 00:47:50,930
but that's that's the problem that we

940
00:47:56,650 --> 00:47:52,780
have here just the word itself

941
00:47:58,150 --> 00:47:56,660
parapsychology it causes people to think

942
00:47:58,570 --> 00:47:58,160
in the wrong way what you're talking

943
00:48:02,140 --> 00:47:58,580
about

944
00:48:03,460 --> 00:48:02,150
exactly and so this year and next year

945
00:48:06,700 --> 00:48:03,470
I'm the president of the

946
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:06,710
parapsychological Association so the PA

947
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:09,650
as we call it is an elected member of

948
00:48:13,750 --> 00:48:11,810
the American Association for the

949
00:48:16,060 --> 00:48:13,760
Advancement of science the biggest

950
00:48:18,580 --> 00:48:16,070
scientific mainstream scientific

951
00:48:23,010 --> 00:48:18,590
organization in the world and we were

952
00:48:26,589 --> 00:48:23,020
elected by the Council of the triple-a s

953
00:48:30,309 --> 00:48:26,599
back in 1969

954
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:30,319
because what we do is science we use the

955
00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:32,210
same tools and techniques of science as

956
00:48:37,660 --> 00:48:34,250
every other discipline except we apply

957
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:37,670
them to psychic phenomena and so when

958
00:48:42,130 --> 00:48:39,410
the the council made their choice they

959
00:48:43,690 --> 00:48:42,140
said well it's true that the topic is

960
00:48:46,660 --> 00:48:43,700
certainly controversial but we have

961
00:48:48,700 --> 00:48:46,670
nothing bad to say about the application

962
00:48:50,890 --> 00:48:48,710
of science to study those kinds of

963
00:48:54,309 --> 00:48:50,900
phenomena that's why we remember the

964
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:54,319
triple is on the other hand a couple of

965
00:48:59,200 --> 00:48:57,050
months ago I gave a presidential address

966
00:49:01,120 --> 00:48:59,210
which we do at our annual conventions

967
00:49:03,190 --> 00:49:01,130
and the very first thing I opened up

968
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:03,200
with is why we need to change the name

969
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:06,410
and I was able to show that by if you go

970
00:49:11,109 --> 00:49:08,450
to Google image means type in

971
00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:11,119
parapsychology what you come up with is

972
00:49:16,270 --> 00:49:13,760
basically ghostbusters right right right

973
00:49:19,150 --> 00:49:16,280
right that that is the image that that

974
00:49:22,059 --> 00:49:19,160
the word has become and that is not

975
00:49:23,470 --> 00:49:22,069
serving as well so that what we should

976
00:49:26,339 --> 00:49:23,480
be called is something like the

977
00:49:28,420 --> 00:49:26,349
psychophysics Association because

978
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:28,430
parapsychology is really about the

979
00:49:34,540 --> 00:49:31,010
relationship between the the psyche the

980
00:49:39,309 --> 00:49:34,550
mind and physics it's the it's the space

981
00:49:40,859 --> 00:49:39,319
in between psyche and physics so that's

982
00:49:43,540 --> 00:49:40,869
what we study

983
00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:43,550
unfortunately psychophysics is already

984
00:49:48,150 --> 00:49:46,250
the name of a discipline and so we can't

985
00:49:50,770 --> 00:49:48,160
use that so coming up with a better name

986
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:50,780
there's a lot of internal debate about

987
00:49:55,030 --> 00:49:52,970
what we should use and whether we should

988
00:49:55,599 --> 00:49:55,040
change it so I don't know that we ever

989
00:49:57,550 --> 00:49:55,609
will

990
00:50:01,150 --> 00:49:57,560
yeah yeah you can't you should be able

991
00:50:03,099 --> 00:50:01,160
to call it just magic should be able to

992
00:50:05,700 --> 00:50:03,109
do and you can't do that either

993
00:50:08,170 --> 00:50:05,710
well magic is a placeholder for

994
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:08,180
something is happening but we don't know

995
00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:10,490
what to call it yet that's what that's

996
00:50:15,190 --> 00:50:12,250
where that word is always met basically

997
00:50:18,550 --> 00:50:15,200
sounds like parapsychology to me yeah

998
00:50:20,620 --> 00:50:18,560
kind of yeah it does and let's let's go

999
00:50:25,900 --> 00:50:20,630
right there before we head towards the

1000
00:50:28,420 --> 00:50:25,910
break because today and I don't want to

1001
00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:28,430
make this complex or long but when I

1002
00:50:34,359 --> 00:50:32,089
hear you talk about the the activity

1003
00:50:36,700 --> 00:50:34,369
that is going on at the atomic level and

1004
00:50:38,590 --> 00:50:36,710
the changes that happen there as subtle

1005
00:50:43,210 --> 00:50:38,600
as they may be but

1006
00:50:46,660 --> 00:50:43,220
when when this this change happens

1007
00:50:51,100 --> 00:50:46,670
however it is happening those subtle

1008
00:50:53,020 --> 00:50:51,110
changes are what we would refer to on so

1009
00:50:56,740 --> 00:50:53,030
many different levels whether it's magic

1010
00:51:00,130 --> 00:50:56,750
or or telepathy or whatever telekinesis

1011
00:51:02,710 --> 00:51:00,140
for instance but this has been going on

1012
00:51:05,890 --> 00:51:02,720
for thousands and thousands of years and

1013
00:51:11,020 --> 00:51:05,900
they have recognized that and so take us

1014
00:51:14,140 --> 00:51:11,030
back a few thousand years where they

1015
00:51:18,850 --> 00:51:14,150
were they knew then what we're figuring

1016
00:51:20,860 --> 00:51:18,860
out now scientifically ok so before the

1017
00:51:24,340 --> 00:51:20,870
break we'll we have ten minutes to cover

1018
00:51:28,990 --> 00:51:24,350
10,000 years yes yes yes exactly it's

1019
00:51:32,740 --> 00:51:29,000
more like 50,000 years okay right so you

1020
00:51:34,750 --> 00:51:32,750
start back with at shamanism so roughly

1021
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:34,760
50,000 maybe even a hundred thousand

1022
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:37,490
years ago they either very first humans

1023
00:51:40,780 --> 00:51:38,690
I lived in tribes

1024
00:51:43,770 --> 00:51:40,790
well the shamans were people who were

1025
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:43,780
selected because of their special gifts

1026
00:51:49,810 --> 00:51:47,210
primarily their gifts about prophecy

1027
00:51:52,270 --> 00:51:49,820
they were able to forecast if there was

1028
00:51:54,220 --> 00:51:52,280
danger ahead also for their gifts of

1029
00:51:56,290 --> 00:51:54,230
clairvoyance where they're able to tell

1030
00:51:58,960 --> 00:51:56,300
where the the animals would be tomorrow

1031
00:52:02,560 --> 00:51:58,970
for the hunt and for their healing

1032
00:52:04,540 --> 00:52:02,570
ability so the shamans were the first

1033
00:52:06,340 --> 00:52:04,550
psychics basically but they were more

1034
00:52:09,700 --> 00:52:06,350
than that there were warriors the wise

1035
00:52:11,410 --> 00:52:09,710
men healers and so on so we can jump

1036
00:52:13,720 --> 00:52:11,420
from shamanism which is still practiced

1037
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:13,730
around the world today in many places

1038
00:52:19,630 --> 00:52:16,490
but we can jump from the air to perhaps

1039
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:19,640
one of the first organized magical

1040
00:52:25,870 --> 00:52:21,890
systems or esoteric systems which was

1041
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:25,880
Pythagoras and the Greek philosopher he

1042
00:52:31,690 --> 00:52:28,370
had a Mystery School where he talked

1043
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:31,700
about his alternative view of reality

1044
00:52:37,720 --> 00:52:35,210
and then we go to Plato about 500 years

1045
00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:37,730
later called it was his ideas were

1046
00:52:42,790 --> 00:52:40,250
called neoplatonism and then we find

1047
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:42,800
ideas like Gnosticism the Kabala

1048
00:52:49,350 --> 00:52:46,490
hermeticism these are all ancient ideas

1049
00:52:51,870 --> 00:52:49,360
going back to to the 5000 years ago

1050
00:52:54,089 --> 00:52:51,880
where it was a Cosmo

1051
00:52:56,910 --> 00:52:54,099
oh gee a cosmology in the sense that it

1052
00:52:59,430 --> 00:52:56,920
was a way for people to describe the

1053
00:53:03,710 --> 00:52:59,440
nature of reality and how they fit into

1054
00:53:05,549 --> 00:53:03,720
the cosmos so from there from

1055
00:53:08,009 --> 00:53:05,559
Hermeticism we jumped to the Knights

1056
00:53:09,900 --> 00:53:08,019
Templar in the medieval times and

1057
00:53:12,599 --> 00:53:09,910
Knights Templar were a little bit

1058
00:53:14,430 --> 00:53:12,609
unusual back then because most of the

1059
00:53:16,620 --> 00:53:14,440
world was extremely tribal and people

1060
00:53:18,539 --> 00:53:16,630
didn't move around very much but the

1061
00:53:20,579 --> 00:53:18,549
Knights Templar did so they were able to

1062
00:53:23,309 --> 00:53:20,589
go to many different societies mostly

1063
00:53:25,289 --> 00:53:23,319
around Europe and they collected ideas

1064
00:53:27,240 --> 00:53:25,299
and among the ideas that they collected

1065
00:53:29,549 --> 00:53:27,250
were the esoteric ideas namely

1066
00:53:32,759 --> 00:53:29,559
Hermeticism Kabbalah Gnosticism and so

1067
00:53:35,490 --> 00:53:32,769
on from there we can jump a couple

1068
00:53:36,900 --> 00:53:35,500
hundred years to the Freemasons who were

1069
00:53:39,329 --> 00:53:36,910
like a modern version of the Knights

1070
00:53:42,150 --> 00:53:39,339
Templar and that they made the churches

1071
00:53:45,329 --> 00:53:42,160
so they had secrets about how to do

1072
00:53:47,819 --> 00:53:45,339
masonry to make these amazing Gothic

1073
00:53:49,799 --> 00:53:47,829
cathedrals because they didn't have the

1074
00:53:52,769 --> 00:53:49,809
equipment we have today and they were

1075
00:53:55,789 --> 00:53:52,779
able to do amazing work so the night the

1076
00:53:58,920 --> 00:53:55,799
Freemasons also collected esoteric lore

1077
00:54:01,609 --> 00:53:58,930
the next big advancement was the

1078
00:54:03,870 --> 00:54:01,619
Rosicrucian 's and for the first time

1079
00:54:06,839 --> 00:54:03,880
somebody who wanted to learn about the

1080
00:54:09,450 --> 00:54:06,849
esoteric traditions were able to

1081
00:54:12,509 --> 00:54:09,460
actually go and join the Rosicrucian 's

1082
00:54:14,999 --> 00:54:12,519
and learn it this is like a radical new

1083
00:54:16,950 --> 00:54:15,009
thing where you could anybody could go

1084
00:54:20,339 --> 00:54:16,960
and learn about this stuff because prior

1085
00:54:22,799 --> 00:54:20,349
to that it was all word of mouth or an

1086
00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:22,809
oral tradition right so from after the

1087
00:54:27,029 --> 00:54:24,250
Rosicrucians we have things like

1088
00:54:29,339 --> 00:54:27,039
theosophy the order of the Golden Dawn

1089
00:54:33,359 --> 00:54:29,349
which is a resurrection of ancient

1090
00:54:37,259 --> 00:54:33,369
magical practices KS magic and Aleister

1091
00:54:41,339 --> 00:54:37,269
Crowley in the 1970s and before that we

1092
00:54:43,259 --> 00:54:41,349
have Mesmer and France Christian science

1093
00:54:45,839 --> 00:54:43,269
and new thought religions in the United

1094
00:54:47,900 --> 00:54:45,849
States so all through this from

1095
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:47,910
shamanism all the way up to Harry Potter

1096
00:54:52,999 --> 00:54:50,890
we have it we have a continual thread

1097
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:53,009
called the esoteric traditions

1098
00:54:57,749 --> 00:54:56,890
it's called esoteric because it meant it

1099
00:55:00,210 --> 00:54:57,759
was Sabrosa

1100
00:55:03,420 --> 00:55:00,220
it was suppressed so that it was not

1101
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:03,430
what people were generally taught and it

1102
00:55:07,769 --> 00:55:05,650
was suppressed primarily initially

1103
00:55:10,019 --> 00:55:07,779
by the church mostly the the Roman

1104
00:55:12,210 --> 00:55:10,029
Catholic Church which suppressed it

1105
00:55:14,670 --> 00:55:12,220
because not because there was disbelief

1106
00:55:16,980 --> 00:55:14,680
about these ideas but because it was a

1107
00:55:20,010 --> 00:55:16,990
challenge to the church's Authority and

1108
00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:20,020
so that's where the the Inquisition was

1109
00:55:25,260 --> 00:55:23,200
a police force which basically was was

1110
00:55:27,630 --> 00:55:25,270
created to enforce the church's

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00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:27,640
Authority and in the process anybody who

1112
00:55:33,539 --> 00:55:30,930
didn't accept the Church doctrine like

1113
00:55:35,700 --> 00:55:33,549
Gnosticism was explicitly against the

1114
00:55:37,829 --> 00:55:35,710
church they hated the church but there

1115
00:55:41,370 --> 00:55:37,839
were Christians exist they followed a

1116
00:55:44,549 --> 00:55:41,380
different idea so all of these these

1117
00:55:46,620 --> 00:55:44,559
ideas from shamanism almost the Harry

1118
00:55:50,220 --> 00:55:46,630
Potter have always been considered

1119
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:50,230
esoteric as compared to exoteric which

1120
00:55:53,519 --> 00:55:52,690
is above the surface it's like the

1121
00:55:56,430 --> 00:55:53,529
everyday world

1122
00:55:59,099 --> 00:55:56,440
things that people are taught esoteric

1123
00:56:01,620 --> 00:55:59,109
unfortunately is often associated with

1124
00:56:04,500 --> 00:56:01,630
the word occult which has a negative

1125
00:56:07,170 --> 00:56:04,510
connotation and all that occult means is

1126
00:56:11,420 --> 00:56:07,180
hidden just like esoteric means also

1127
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:11,430
hidden it's just a long long thread of

1128
00:56:17,250 --> 00:56:14,170
knowledge and wisdom that has been

1129
00:56:20,220 --> 00:56:17,260
pushed away so now that we have the

1130
00:56:23,940 --> 00:56:20,230
Internet what used to be an extremely

1131
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:23,950
secret set of ideas you could find any

1132
00:56:29,039 --> 00:56:26,890
of those books and manuscripts and ideas

1133
00:56:31,289 --> 00:56:29,049
in a matter of 10 seconds by going to

1134
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:31,299
the right website so it's not really

1135
00:56:35,910 --> 00:56:34,210
esoteric traditions anymore they're

1136
00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:35,920
they're all easily available but you

1137
00:56:41,849 --> 00:56:38,079
have to go you have to know where to

1138
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:41,859
look and then you can find it the the

1139
00:56:47,789 --> 00:56:44,170
history of all of this the the

1140
00:56:52,289 --> 00:56:47,799
fascinating thing for me dean is that

1141
00:56:55,349 --> 00:56:52,299
the society and individuals could see

1142
00:56:57,990 --> 00:56:55,359
the practice and see something going on

1143
00:57:00,180 --> 00:56:58,000
and know that there's something else to

1144
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:00,190
the world and that was an obvious thing

1145
00:57:08,700 --> 00:57:04,210
but they considered it magic or maybe

1146
00:57:11,519 --> 00:57:08,710
even something else crazier but it's

1147
00:57:14,549 --> 00:57:11,529
actually science that is going on here

1148
00:57:16,380 --> 00:57:14,559
why why can't we get I know we're

1149
00:57:18,210 --> 00:57:16,390
working on it today but why can't we get

1150
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:18,220
science

1151
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:21,490
and the other fringe part of this to

1152
00:57:26,130 --> 00:57:24,130
overlap so we can just start knocking

1153
00:57:27,900 --> 00:57:26,140
these dominoes down and showing

1154
00:57:29,849 --> 00:57:27,910
everybody that that you know there's

1155
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:29,859
some really beautiful things going on

1156
00:57:37,380 --> 00:57:32,890
out there well and that is exactly the

1157
00:57:38,700 --> 00:57:37,390
segue into my book because yes so I can

1158
00:57:40,650 --> 00:57:38,710
tell you must have read some of it

1159
00:57:43,650 --> 00:57:40,660
because that of course is the entire

1160
00:57:45,990 --> 00:57:43,660
theme of my book real magic how do we

1161
00:57:49,410 --> 00:57:46,000
connect these ancient traditions with

1162
00:57:51,510 --> 00:57:49,420
modern science and I I see at least the

1163
00:57:53,900 --> 00:57:51,520
way that I reason why I wrote the book

1164
00:57:56,730 --> 00:57:53,910
is there is a very very clear connection

1165
00:57:59,900 --> 00:57:56,740
let's take a break right here and when

1166
00:58:02,400 --> 00:57:59,910
we come back I'm gonna discuss Stargate

1167
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:02,410
let's go there's a lot of science that

1168
00:58:06,660 --> 00:58:04,930
is involved there too as well and and

1169
00:58:09,750 --> 00:58:06,670
and we'll do that and we'll just work

1170
00:58:11,579 --> 00:58:09,760
our way right up to real magic this is

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00:58:13,799 --> 00:58:11,589
fade to black our guest tonight Dean

1172
00:58:17,309 --> 00:58:13,809
Radin PhD that's right

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ion's the chief scientific officer for

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noetic and we'll do all of that when we

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come back i'm your signatures this is

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fade to black

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stay with us

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[Music]

1271
01:03:02,350 --> 01:02:47,170
[Applause]

1272
01:03:05,980 --> 01:03:04,540
welcome back faith of black I am your

1273
01:03:08,830 --> 01:03:05,990
host Jimmy Church I guess tonight Dean

1274
01:03:16,690 --> 01:03:08,840
Radin chief scientist at the Institute

1275
01:03:22,330 --> 01:03:16,700
of noetic Sciences ions and now this is

1276
01:03:25,060 --> 01:03:22,340
what I want to do Dean Stargate comes up

1277
01:03:29,230 --> 01:03:25,070
on this show probably two or three times

1278
01:03:31,030 --> 01:03:29,240
a week not only from guests but from the

1279
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:31,040
audience they always want to hear about

1280
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:33,170
it and I don't know if the movie has

1281
01:03:38,050 --> 01:03:35,330
Invicta to would that do as well it's

1282
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:38,060
kind of funny but what was the Stargate

1283
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:39,250
project

1284
01:03:45,790 --> 01:03:42,890
well Stargate was one of the code words

1285
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:45,800
for a program that lasted for about 20

1286
01:03:52,090 --> 01:03:49,610
years it when I was on it it was

1287
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:52,100
actually called grill flame at the time

1288
01:04:00,490 --> 01:03:55,610
mr. Stargate was the last code word so

1289
01:04:06,220 --> 01:04:00,500
it was the government's use of psychic

1290
01:04:08,340 --> 01:04:06,230
espionage primarily it was they they had

1291
01:04:11,620 --> 01:04:08,350
reasons to believe that their expert

1292
01:04:13,300 --> 01:04:11,630
psychics who could see and describe

1293
01:04:16,540 --> 01:04:13,310
things were happening on the other side

1294
01:04:19,510 --> 01:04:16,550
of the planet including things that were

1295
01:04:21,850 --> 01:04:19,520
had not occurred yet so precognitive lee

1296
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:21,860
and also things that were in buildings

1297
01:04:25,500 --> 01:04:23,810
where it was difficult or even

1298
01:04:29,950 --> 01:04:25,510
impossible to get human intelligence

1299
01:04:32,350 --> 01:04:29,960
inside the building so it was in a sense

1300
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:32,360
a branch of the intelligence gathering

1301
01:04:39,220 --> 01:04:36,490
world and what years were you involved

1302
01:04:41,050 --> 01:04:39,230
I'd I was at Bell Labs at the time and

1303
01:04:42,820 --> 01:04:41,060
it took a leave of absence for one year

1304
01:04:48,190 --> 01:04:42,830
so I was there for the calendar year

1305
01:04:50,710 --> 01:04:48,200
1985 1985 in it at that point what was

1306
01:04:52,510 --> 01:04:50,720
what was your involvement did you have

1307
01:04:54,610 --> 01:04:52,520
talented talents that you were

1308
01:04:57,370 --> 01:04:54,620
exploiting were you there for the

1309
01:05:01,390 --> 01:04:57,380
science part I was a visiting scientist

1310
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:01,400
for the whole year I met Ingo Swann and

1311
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:03,530
Joan mcmoneagle and many others at the

1312
01:05:11,500 --> 01:05:08,330
time my my role was partially to help

1313
01:05:14,350 --> 01:05:11,510
with threat assessment and this is what

1314
01:05:16,150 --> 01:05:14,360
a lot of intelligence is about that you

1315
01:05:18,910 --> 01:05:16,160
hear something about an adverse

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who has developed something and you want

1317
01:05:24,700 --> 01:05:20,180
to know whether or not it's actually a

1318
01:05:27,570 --> 01:05:24,710
threat to national security so we got

1319
01:05:30,820 --> 01:05:27,580
documents that have been spirited out of

1320
01:05:33,970 --> 01:05:30,830
the Soviet Union at the time or what we

1321
01:05:36,130 --> 01:05:33,980
used to call Red China we would read the

1322
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:36,140
documents occasionally we would talk to

1323
01:05:41,070 --> 01:05:38,570
somebody who is defecting to the United

1324
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:41,080
States and try to assess whether or not

1325
01:05:46,270 --> 01:05:44,210
things that were psychic that were being

1326
01:05:49,510 --> 01:05:46,280
that were being talked about in these

1327
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:49,520
documents whether they were credible or

1328
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:51,770
not and in some cases we would try to

1329
01:05:56,380 --> 01:05:54,050
replicate things that that we had read

1330
01:05:59,500 --> 01:05:56,390
about so that was a big part of what I

1331
01:06:03,460 --> 01:05:59,510
did I also ran a couple of experiments

1332
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:03,470
and he was part of my time there too to

1333
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:06,490
be the program chairman of of one of the

1334
01:06:11,950 --> 01:06:08,090
meetings of the parapsychological

1335
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:11,960
Association how that sounds like the

1336
01:06:17,380 --> 01:06:14,810
most exciting thing one could do I mean

1337
01:06:20,140 --> 01:06:17,390
how exciting was it to be involved even

1338
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:20,150
though it was just for a short year how

1339
01:06:26,500 --> 01:06:23,330
exciting was it it was mind-boggling

1340
01:06:28,270 --> 01:06:26,510
right it really was they this is one of

1341
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:28,280
the strangest aspects of the whole thing

1342
01:06:36,370 --> 01:06:33,410
is that at the time this was a TS sei

1343
01:06:38,950 --> 01:06:36,380
program it's above top secret that's its

1344
01:06:41,530 --> 01:06:38,960
so-called carve out program so it's in

1345
01:06:42,820 --> 01:06:41,540
the deep black nobody is allowed to know

1346
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:42,830
about it even if you have top-secret

1347
01:06:47,650 --> 01:06:44,570
clearance you can't know about it until

1348
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:47,660
you're read in on the project so you get

1349
01:06:51,250 --> 01:06:49,490
this you see this book and you sign it

1350
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:51,260
along with you can see everybody else

1351
01:06:55,090 --> 01:06:53,330
who signed it and this program is

1352
01:06:58,030 --> 01:06:55,100
probably known by perhaps a hundred

1353
01:07:01,510 --> 01:06:58,040
people maybe 120 and in the United

1354
01:07:04,450 --> 01:07:01,520
States for a long time even the code

1355
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:04,460
words were classified you couldn't say

1356
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:07,490
anything about this so we'd go into work

1357
01:07:12,700 --> 01:07:10,850
this was Ed SR I and we'd be doing all

1358
01:07:15,970 --> 01:07:12,710
kinds of interesting psychic things and

1359
01:07:18,700 --> 01:07:15,980
when you leave work not only could you

1360
01:07:21,100 --> 01:07:18,710
not talk about it but the prevailing

1361
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:21,110
opinion and this is still true somewhat

1362
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:22,970
today but the prevailing opinion among

1363
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:25,130
scientists at the time was the psychic

1364
01:07:29,950 --> 01:07:27,170
stuff is nonsense it couldn't possibly

1365
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:29,960
be true so outside the building that

1366
01:07:37,690 --> 01:07:33,170
the attitude you had to adopt inside the

1367
01:07:39,130 --> 01:07:37,700
building we were doing it so this didn't

1368
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:39,140
feel very comfortable to me after a

1369
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:42,290
while that you needed to become kind of

1370
01:07:47,380 --> 01:07:45,170
a professional schizophrenic inside the

1371
01:07:50,650 --> 01:07:47,390
building you're doing amazing futuristic

1372
01:07:51,609 --> 01:07:50,660
psychic things outside the building it's

1373
01:07:54,220 --> 01:07:51,619
all nonsense

1374
01:07:56,140 --> 01:07:54,230
so that just never said very well with

1375
01:08:01,390 --> 01:07:56,150
me no I came out I could only imagine

1376
01:08:03,490 --> 01:08:01,400
and at that time was who was who was

1377
01:08:05,380 --> 01:08:03,500
funding the program I'm just this is

1378
01:08:07,839 --> 01:08:05,390
these are questions for myself I've got

1379
01:08:12,099 --> 01:08:07,849
the opportunity to ask was it the CIA

1380
01:08:14,050 --> 01:08:12,109
was it an agency or was it the army it

1381
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:14,060
was a tail end of the DIA and the

1382
01:08:18,940 --> 01:08:15,890
beginning of the army Wow

1383
01:08:22,749 --> 01:08:18,950
how exciting seriously I mean that's

1384
01:08:28,030 --> 01:08:22,759
like a movie and when you're when you're

1385
01:08:30,940 --> 01:08:28,040
hanging out was it was it Ingo and Joe

1386
01:08:34,180 --> 01:08:30,950
were there members of the DIA that were

1387
01:08:36,789 --> 01:08:34,190
monitoring you or were you guys able to

1388
01:08:40,090 --> 01:08:36,799
I mean tell me what that was like was it

1389
01:08:46,090 --> 01:08:40,100
more freeform or were you given

1390
01:08:49,079 --> 01:08:46,100
assignments no it was we had tasks I

1391
01:08:53,039 --> 01:08:49,089
mean some of them were operational tasks

1392
01:08:56,170 --> 01:08:53,049
what I mean by that is that the some

1393
01:08:58,209 --> 01:08:56,180
some client and this is every every

1394
01:09:00,910 --> 01:08:58,219
intelligence agency you've ever heard of

1395
01:09:03,519 --> 01:09:00,920
in many that you have not they would

1396
01:09:07,420 --> 01:09:03,529
repeatedly ask for information about

1397
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:07,430
some project they were working on one

1398
01:09:12,130 --> 01:09:09,770
example is the Joint Task Force which is

1399
01:09:13,809 --> 01:09:12,140
a combination of many military and

1400
01:09:16,959 --> 01:09:13,819
intelligence agencies who are together

1401
01:09:19,450 --> 01:09:16,969
working on something so one of the most

1402
01:09:21,249 --> 01:09:19,460
frequent requests came from the Joint

1403
01:09:25,090 --> 01:09:21,259
Task Force and they were working on drug

1404
01:09:26,260 --> 01:09:25,100
interdiction so they'd be they knew that

1405
01:09:29,229 --> 01:09:26,270
somebody was going to enter the country

1406
01:09:31,990 --> 01:09:29,239
probably by a boat they had no idea when

1407
01:09:34,630 --> 01:09:32,000
or where they would ask us where they

1408
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:34,640
would ask the the Army equivalent the

1409
01:09:39,220 --> 01:09:37,370
Army Group was doing only operational

1410
01:09:40,749 --> 01:09:39,230
missions we would occasionally do

1411
01:09:42,789 --> 01:09:40,759
operational missions but mostly were

1412
01:09:43,419 --> 01:09:42,799
doing science so occasionally we would

1413
01:09:45,579 --> 01:09:43,429
we would

1414
01:09:49,329 --> 01:09:45,589
I would see the operation missions under

1415
01:09:52,839 --> 01:09:49,339
way and we would identify through

1416
01:09:56,410 --> 01:09:52,849
psychic means where we expected a boat

1417
01:09:59,469 --> 01:09:56,420
to enter US waters and it was successful

1418
01:10:01,750 --> 01:09:59,479
enough that the Joint Task Force came

1419
01:10:05,500 --> 01:10:01,760
back over a hundred times to ask for

1420
01:10:07,569 --> 01:10:05,510
additional information so different

1421
01:10:09,399 --> 01:10:07,579
agencies would use this for different

1422
01:10:11,919 --> 01:10:09,409
reasons and in all cases they would

1423
01:10:14,069 --> 01:10:11,929
never rely only on what we said they had

1424
01:10:16,779 --> 01:10:14,079
used multiple sources of information

1425
01:10:19,660 --> 01:10:16,789
from lots of different approaches and

1426
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:19,670
then ours would be used as a part of the

1427
01:10:23,949 --> 01:10:21,050
jigsaw puzzle that they were putting

1428
01:10:25,750 --> 01:10:23,959
together but we knew that in many cases

1429
01:10:28,989 --> 01:10:25,760
the information we were providing

1430
01:10:30,580 --> 01:10:28,999
allowed them to fill in the rest of the

1431
01:10:33,959 --> 01:10:30,590
jigsaw puzzle that otherwise it would

1432
01:10:37,689 --> 01:10:33,969
not have been able to do when you first

1433
01:10:40,779 --> 01:10:37,699
got to SR I I'm just I'm sure you had a

1434
01:10:42,879 --> 01:10:40,789
certain mindset and we're trying to

1435
01:10:43,179 --> 01:10:42,889
understand these things and and look at

1436
01:10:46,719 --> 01:10:43,189
it

1437
01:10:48,839 --> 01:10:46,729
but after a year there and you left what

1438
01:10:51,580 --> 01:10:48,849
did you take with you what did you learn

1439
01:10:54,009 --> 01:10:51,590
well the main thing that I learned was I

1440
01:10:57,819 --> 01:10:54,019
really really want to spend my career

1441
01:11:00,160 --> 01:10:57,829
doing this that's what I learned because

1442
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:00,170
once I mean before that I had already

1443
01:11:05,529 --> 01:11:03,170
been doing experiments have had Bell

1444
01:11:07,239 --> 01:11:05,539
Labs that and in fact that was a

1445
01:11:09,100 --> 01:11:07,249
connection the reason I went to SR I

1446
01:11:10,540 --> 01:11:09,110
it's because I was doing some

1447
01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:10,550
experiments at Bell Labs I got

1448
01:11:14,709 --> 01:11:12,170
permission to talk about them at

1449
01:11:18,129 --> 01:11:14,719
conferences and somebody at a conference

1450
01:11:21,969 --> 01:11:18,139
then recruited me for this for the SSRI

1451
01:11:24,069 --> 01:11:21,979
program at that time there were rumors

1452
01:11:25,899 --> 01:11:24,079
that the government was doing something

1453
01:11:27,609 --> 01:11:25,909
but no one actually knew what was going

1454
01:11:30,489 --> 01:11:27,619
on so of course when I got the

1455
01:11:32,620 --> 01:11:30,499
invitation to join this program it's

1456
01:11:34,989 --> 01:11:32,630
like you you can't say no to that

1457
01:11:37,209 --> 01:11:34,999
you have any interest in it at all right

1458
01:11:39,850 --> 01:11:37,219
and having seen it then from the inside

1459
01:11:42,129 --> 01:11:39,860
and especially seeing people like like

1460
01:11:45,939 --> 01:11:42,139
Ingo and Joe mcmoneagle who are really

1461
01:11:48,910 --> 01:11:45,949
good at what they were able to do and

1462
01:11:52,149 --> 01:11:48,920
had had nothing it was so opposite from

1463
01:11:55,509 --> 01:11:52,159
the stereotyped vision that people have

1464
01:11:56,950 --> 01:11:55,519
of Madam's zodiac I mean of course not

1465
01:11:58,660 --> 01:11:56,960
like that at all right

1466
01:12:02,380 --> 01:11:58,670
these weren't completely normal people

1467
01:12:04,420 --> 01:12:02,390
that had just astounding skills how

1468
01:12:04,900 --> 01:12:04,430
could you how could you walk away from

1469
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:04,910
that

1470
01:12:09,430 --> 01:12:07,610
well I found I couldn't I really wanted

1471
01:12:11,140 --> 01:12:09,440
to figure out a way of continuing to do

1472
01:12:13,060 --> 01:12:11,150
it but not doing it in a classified

1473
01:12:14,740 --> 01:12:13,070
environment there are so many

1474
01:12:16,959 --> 01:12:14,750
restrictions about what you can do and

1475
01:12:18,940 --> 01:12:16,969
say in those environments that it felt

1476
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:18,950
too constraining to me well you know and

1477
01:12:25,690 --> 01:12:23,810
I imagine that at some point we all want

1478
01:12:28,420 --> 01:12:25,700
to wear that I want to believe shirt

1479
01:12:30,490 --> 01:12:28,430
right and that's where you know you had

1480
01:12:33,790 --> 01:12:30,500
to have gone through that phase was it

1481
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:33,800
at s RI where you just at one point when

1482
01:12:40,420 --> 01:12:37,010
you know holy crap this is this is real

1483
01:12:44,260 --> 01:12:40,430
I mean this is real real yeah the holy

1484
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:44,270
crap moment occurred when I got the full

1485
01:12:49,930 --> 01:12:46,850
briefing on the project it took a while

1486
01:12:52,300 --> 01:12:49,940
to get all of the various clearances for

1487
01:12:54,010 --> 01:12:52,310
the level of classification for this

1488
01:12:56,530 --> 01:12:54,020
project but I finally got them and then

1489
01:12:58,180 --> 01:12:56,540
how put off was the head of the program

1490
01:13:00,250 --> 01:12:58,190
at the time and he gave me the briefing

1491
01:13:02,350 --> 01:13:00,260
so this is the briefing briefing that's

1492
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:02,360
given to members of Congress and so on

1493
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:06,610
who need to know about the program and

1494
01:13:11,979 --> 01:13:09,770
much of that briefing now is available

1495
01:13:14,290 --> 01:13:11,989
through books because most of the

1496
01:13:17,020 --> 01:13:14,300
project was been Declassified but at the

1497
01:13:20,350 --> 01:13:17,030
time nobody had any idea how accurate

1498
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:20,360
remote viewing could be and so I see one

1499
01:13:24,580 --> 01:13:21,890
case after the other and real

1500
01:13:26,229 --> 01:13:24,590
operational emissions showing how good

1501
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:26,239
it could actually be with talented

1502
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:28,850
people and it's it's mind-boggling I

1503
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:31,370
mean it gives you vertigo when you first

1504
01:13:37,390 --> 01:13:33,410
encounter it I can only imagine I can

1505
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:37,400
only imagine now what about your your

1506
01:13:43,150 --> 01:13:40,010
oaths and security clearances and

1507
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:43,160
probably an NDA that was you know an

1508
01:13:49,930 --> 01:13:45,530
extended how much of it could you talk

1509
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:49,940
about when you exited the program or you

1510
01:13:54,700 --> 01:13:53,330
couldn't discuss it at all no and I left

1511
01:13:57,010 --> 01:13:54,710
the program I couldn't talk about

1512
01:13:59,650 --> 01:13:57,020
anything I mean I went back to Bell Labs

1513
01:14:02,440 --> 01:13:59,660
where I returned after the leave of

1514
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:02,450
absence and all I could tell people was

1515
01:14:09,130 --> 01:14:05,210
I was working at a sore eye I couldn't

1516
01:14:09,990 --> 01:14:09,140
even tell them on what and how long how

1517
01:14:12,630 --> 01:14:10,000
long

1518
01:14:15,350 --> 01:14:12,640
until you were you know given your your

1519
01:14:18,450 --> 01:14:15,360
wings and freedom to discuss things

1520
01:14:20,010 --> 01:14:18,460
actually not until 1995 that's crazy

1521
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:20,020
yeah yeah when the program was

1522
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:22,210
Declassified then then I was freer to

1523
01:14:27,270 --> 01:14:25,090
talk about what was going on and what

1524
01:14:31,380 --> 01:14:27,280
happened next you go back to to Bell

1525
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:31,390
Labs but in in the Paris psychological

1526
01:14:35,970 --> 01:14:34,090
career of yours what happened next well

1527
01:14:38,250 --> 01:14:35,980
I went back to Bell Labs I was

1528
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:38,260
determined to figure out a way of

1529
01:14:43,950 --> 01:14:40,330
spending my time doing this kind of

1530
01:14:46,890 --> 01:14:43,960
research right and within about four

1531
01:14:50,550 --> 01:14:46,900
months I was invited to go to Princeton

1532
01:14:53,220 --> 01:14:50,560
to to work alongside the the pear lab

1533
01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:53,230
the the group in the engineering

1534
01:15:00,479 --> 01:14:57,130
building or the Engineering College

1535
01:15:03,030 --> 01:15:00,489
within Princeton with Bob John and

1536
01:15:07,050 --> 01:15:03,040
Brenda Don and they had at that time

1537
01:15:09,090 --> 01:15:07,060
just begun to start the pear lab the

1538
01:15:12,030 --> 01:15:09,100
Princeton Engineering anomaly's research

1539
01:15:13,860 --> 01:15:12,040
lab it's not quite sure they have been

1540
01:15:16,590 --> 01:15:13,870
already going for maybe five years by

1541
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:16,600
that point and I was brought in to as

1542
01:15:23,430 --> 01:15:21,370
part of a large grant that they got to

1543
01:15:26,430 --> 01:15:23,440
be in the psychology department that's

1544
01:15:29,310 --> 01:15:26,440
where my appointment was and I was there

1545
01:15:32,370 --> 01:15:29,320
to create multidisciplinary programs

1546
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:32,380
that would connect the pear lab with a

1547
01:15:37,709 --> 01:15:35,290
psychology department with social

1548
01:15:40,590 --> 01:15:37,719
psychology and philosophy and computer

1549
01:15:43,590 --> 01:15:40,600
graphics and a few other areas on campus

1550
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:43,600
but realistically I spent almost all of

1551
01:15:51,090 --> 01:15:47,770
my time doing cyber search along because

1552
01:15:53,550 --> 01:15:51,100
why not that's what I was interested in

1553
01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:53,560
was it was it at Princeton where you

1554
01:15:59,340 --> 01:15:55,930
started to hone your skills with

1555
01:16:00,890 --> 01:15:59,350
controlled experiments no I was already

1556
01:16:04,530 --> 01:16:00,900
doing that at Bell Labs

1557
01:16:07,830 --> 01:16:04,540
so Princeton was just was a very nice

1558
01:16:09,420 --> 01:16:07,840
place to stay and to work because it was

1559
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:09,430
able to see what was going on in the

1560
01:16:13,860 --> 01:16:12,250
pear lab firsthand and I worked pretty

1561
01:16:16,350 --> 01:16:13,870
closely with Roger Nelson who was

1562
01:16:19,890 --> 01:16:16,360
another psychologist in the pear lab for

1563
01:16:22,940 --> 01:16:19,900
for over 20 years how do you how do you

1564
01:16:25,820 --> 01:16:22,950
how do you demonstrate the

1565
01:16:29,660 --> 01:16:25,830
the power of the mind and its control

1566
01:16:31,970 --> 01:16:29,670
over something that is animate how do

1567
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:31,980
you how do you do that not only for your

1568
01:16:37,610 --> 01:16:34,530
fellow scientists and for yourself but

1569
01:16:41,450 --> 01:16:37,620
for somebody that is completely new to

1570
01:16:44,810 --> 01:16:41,460
this well the the experiments are pretty

1571
01:16:46,930 --> 01:16:44,820
straightforward most experiments

1572
01:16:49,250 --> 01:16:46,940
involving mind matter interaction are

1573
01:16:51,230 --> 01:16:49,260
involve some sort of a target system

1574
01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:51,240
that you're able to monitor carefully

1575
01:16:59,030 --> 01:16:55,290
and it's everything from water as a

1576
01:17:02,390 --> 01:16:59,040
target to bacteria to cell cultures to

1577
01:17:05,180 --> 01:17:02,400
small animal behavior large animal

1578
01:17:08,270 --> 01:17:05,190
behavior human behavior electronic

1579
01:17:08,570 --> 01:17:08,280
circuits the toss of dice on and on and

1580
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:08,580
on

1581
01:17:13,250 --> 01:17:10,650
all kinds of physical targets have been

1582
01:17:15,620 --> 01:17:13,260
used some living in some nonliving

1583
01:17:18,620 --> 01:17:15,630
targets and the protocols in most cases

1584
01:17:20,210 --> 01:17:18,630
are approximately the same that you give

1585
01:17:22,460 --> 01:17:20,220
somebody instructions to try to

1586
01:17:25,070 --> 01:17:22,470
influence the target whether it's the

1587
01:17:27,710 --> 01:17:25,080
role of a die or the output of a random

1588
01:17:29,900 --> 01:17:27,720
number generator or where human behavior

1589
01:17:32,420 --> 01:17:29,910
at a distance or even in human

1590
01:17:34,220 --> 01:17:32,430
physiology at a distance and then you

1591
01:17:37,090 --> 01:17:34,230
have periods where you withdraw your

1592
01:17:39,980 --> 01:17:37,100
intention so you're trying to intend a

1593
01:17:42,020 --> 01:17:39,990
change and now you're stopping that and

1594
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:42,030
you go back and forth many times and

1595
01:17:46,580 --> 01:17:44,850
then you look at the recording of the

1596
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:46,590
physical system and you see whether or

1597
01:17:51,020 --> 01:17:49,410
not it was car that did the behavior in

1598
01:17:53,570 --> 01:17:51,030
the system was corresponding to the

1599
01:17:56,750 --> 01:17:53,580
mental instructions that the person was

1600
01:17:58,960 --> 01:17:56,760
giving so that's how you do it it's

1601
01:18:01,280 --> 01:17:58,970
always a comparison between an

1602
01:18:03,980 --> 01:18:01,290
intentional control system or an

1603
01:18:06,230 --> 01:18:03,990
attentional control instructions and our

1604
01:18:11,090 --> 01:18:06,240
withdrawal of those of that intention

1605
01:18:12,260 --> 01:18:11,100
are these repetitive in that you know

1606
01:18:15,980 --> 01:18:12,270
you're mentioning the roll of the dice

1607
01:18:19,130 --> 01:18:15,990
or effects on water or you know germs or

1608
01:18:23,540 --> 01:18:19,140
bacteria are we talking about thousands

1609
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:23,550
you know how many times do you have to

1610
01:18:28,940 --> 01:18:26,970
establish a pattern well the effects

1611
01:18:32,090 --> 01:18:28,950
that we see in virtually all of these

1612
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:32,100
systems is very very small so in a

1613
01:18:36,350 --> 01:18:35,130
single session where an individual has

1614
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:36,360
to do something it might

1615
01:18:41,480 --> 01:18:38,850
only been taken a half an hour and over

1616
01:18:44,390 --> 01:18:41,490
the course of a half an hour maybe 40

1617
01:18:47,450 --> 01:18:44,400
alternations of now concentrate and now

1618
01:18:50,060 --> 01:18:47,460
relax so in a given session you can't

1619
01:18:52,310 --> 01:18:50,070
ask somebody to spend a long long time

1620
01:18:55,100 --> 01:18:52,320
trying to influence something because

1621
01:18:58,250 --> 01:18:55,110
you get you get tired very quickly right

1622
01:19:00,530 --> 01:18:58,260
and your mind begins to wander so you do

1623
01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:00,540
many many sessions with many many people

1624
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:03,090
and then you use statistics to see

1625
01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:05,130
whether or not the system is behaving

1626
01:19:12,860 --> 01:19:08,850
according to the protocol I wanna ask

1627
01:19:14,870 --> 01:19:12,870
you a probably a strange question but I

1628
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:14,880
think you'll you'll enjoy it

1629
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:18,930
I've watched all of those old

1630
01:19:24,380 --> 01:19:21,330
black-and-white films of the Russian

1631
01:19:28,210 --> 01:19:24,390
experiments do you know what I'm talking

1632
01:19:30,370 --> 01:19:28,220
about the movement of objects and stuff

1633
01:19:34,430 --> 01:19:30,380
real or fake

1634
01:19:37,070 --> 01:19:34,440
as some of it was probably real it's not

1635
01:19:40,940 --> 01:19:37,080
necessarily the case that it was psychic

1636
01:19:42,620 --> 01:19:40,950
though like for example in some cases

1637
01:19:44,470 --> 01:19:42,630
where you see somebody straining like

1638
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:44,480
crazy like their heads going to pop off

1639
01:19:48,860 --> 01:19:47,610
their hands are quite close to the

1640
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:48,870
target that are trying to influence

1641
01:19:54,650 --> 01:19:50,850
that's right and there are electrostatic

1642
01:19:58,220 --> 01:19:54,660
effects there's heat convection effects

1643
01:20:00,890 --> 01:19:58,230
there's all kinds of of mundane subtle

1644
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:00,900
but but real physical effects that

1645
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:02,250
happen when you bring your hands close

1646
01:20:06,620 --> 01:20:02,850
to something

1647
01:20:09,020 --> 01:20:06,630
electrostatic as I said so so we don't

1648
01:20:11,390 --> 01:20:09,030
know it's only when you do a protocol

1649
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:11,400
where you're you're either far distant

1650
01:20:15,980 --> 01:20:13,850
from the target so that there's no

1651
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:15,990
ordinary way that you can interact with

1652
01:20:21,620 --> 01:20:18,690
the system or you're working with a

1653
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:21,630
system that is so well controlled like

1654
01:20:25,070 --> 01:20:23,010
you could have your hands near it but

1655
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:25,080
perhaps the targets in a vacuum great

1656
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:26,610
which case then they can't be heat

1657
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:28,770
convection it can't be lots of things

1658
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:30,770
but you can still be close to it and

1659
01:20:35,570 --> 01:20:33,210
most of the experiments that I do I

1660
01:20:37,700 --> 01:20:35,580
don't try to shield the system so much

1661
01:20:40,130 --> 01:20:37,710
that you can still be closed because

1662
01:20:41,540 --> 01:20:40,140
it's really tough to do that like the

1663
01:20:45,260 --> 01:20:41,550
moment you get in here something all

1664
01:20:47,480 --> 01:20:45,270
kinds of things are possible so about

1665
01:20:49,970 --> 01:20:47,490
the closest that anybody can get in any

1666
01:20:51,950 --> 01:20:49,980
of our experiments is about two meters

1667
01:20:53,750 --> 01:20:51,960
and oftentimes we'll do it over the

1668
01:20:56,420 --> 01:20:53,760
internet so people can be kilometers

1669
01:20:58,070 --> 01:20:56,430
away right yeah because I would watch

1670
01:21:01,340 --> 01:20:58,080
those films I don't want to spend any

1671
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:01,350
more time on this but some of it could

1672
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:05,130
be heat some of it could be even wind I

1673
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:07,530
mean their arms are waving you know

1674
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:10,530
crazily the some of the stuff though is

1675
01:21:18,530 --> 01:21:13,890
under glass and it's a bit different and

1676
01:21:20,930 --> 01:21:18,540
I it I once I determined okay all right

1677
01:21:23,750 --> 01:21:20,940
all right this is just whatever but then

1678
01:21:25,910 --> 01:21:23,760
I would watch it's like well wait a

1679
01:21:28,670 --> 01:21:25,920
minute there's something going on here

1680
01:21:29,650 --> 01:21:28,680
and and I'm not sure do you think the

1681
01:21:32,270 --> 01:21:29,660
Russians

1682
01:21:34,340 --> 01:21:32,280
well first off to you do they still

1683
01:21:36,950 --> 01:21:34,350
research this like they were so

1684
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:36,960
aggressively in the 50s and 60s but do

1685
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:38,730
you think that they were really close to

1686
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:42,330
to getting something perfected well the

1687
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:44,489
Russians had a much bigger program at

1688
01:21:49,370 --> 01:21:47,130
the same time that we did like during

1689
01:21:52,820 --> 01:21:49,380
the whole Stargate 20 years the Russians

1690
01:21:54,290 --> 01:21:52,830
had a program like ten times ten in

1691
01:21:56,680 --> 01:21:54,300
terms of the number of people and the

1692
01:21:59,750 --> 01:21:56,690
amount of money from what we know today

1693
01:22:02,680 --> 01:21:59,760
they weren't really ahead of us and

1694
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:02,690
anyway they did spend a lot more time on

1695
01:22:07,610 --> 01:22:06,330
psychokinetic effects but as best as I

1696
01:22:11,900 --> 01:22:07,620
can tell they did not make any

1697
01:22:14,420 --> 01:22:11,910
breakthroughs that the and went beyond

1698
01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:14,430
anything that we know let's go through

1699
01:22:18,260 --> 01:22:16,530
some quick definitions before the bottom

1700
01:22:21,890 --> 01:22:18,270
of the hour because we're really gonna

1701
01:22:25,729 --> 01:22:21,900
get into the book and and magic in

1702
01:22:28,850 --> 01:22:25,739
science when we come back and let's go

1703
01:22:30,650 --> 01:22:28,860
through this the basics are very simple

1704
01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:30,660
but we're gonna be discussing these like

1705
01:22:37,100 --> 01:22:34,050
ESP telepathy telekinesis remote viewing

1706
01:22:40,070 --> 01:22:37,110
Precog let's start with ESP what's

1707
01:22:42,440 --> 01:22:40,080
what's your definition of ESP well it

1708
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:42,450
stands for extrasensory perception and

1709
01:22:49,370 --> 01:22:46,290
it was a general term used for being

1710
01:22:53,810 --> 01:22:49,380
able to perceive some sort of target

1711
01:22:56,870 --> 01:22:53,820
that was shielded by distance or time so

1712
01:22:59,690 --> 01:22:56,880
that's that was ESP telepathy even

1713
01:23:01,340 --> 01:22:59,700
though we discuss it a lot I think it's

1714
01:23:03,860 --> 01:23:01,350
also misunderstood what's your

1715
01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:03,870
definition telepathy

1716
01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:08,250
meant feeling feeling at a distance the

1717
01:23:12,110 --> 01:23:10,170
pathy part is about feelings

1718
01:23:13,970 --> 01:23:12,120
sopia sometimes people think of it as

1719
01:23:17,660 --> 01:23:13,980
mind reading or thought reading and it's

1720
01:23:20,450 --> 01:23:17,670
not that really it's more about gaining

1721
01:23:23,810 --> 01:23:20,460
an empathic sense a feeling sense of

1722
01:23:25,730 --> 01:23:23,820
somebody at a distance because you know

1723
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:25,740
we hear it all the time how did you

1724
01:23:30,410 --> 01:23:28,290
communicate with et well I use mental

1725
01:23:35,740 --> 01:23:30,420
telepathy right right

1726
01:23:38,870 --> 01:23:35,750
okay telekinesis telekinesis is a

1727
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:38,880
popular term for what we would call

1728
01:23:44,030 --> 01:23:40,410
within a discipline we call it

1729
01:23:46,910 --> 01:23:44,040
psychokinesis or PK it's it's the same

1730
01:23:50,030 --> 01:23:46,920
thing it basically means that it's a

1731
01:23:52,250 --> 01:23:50,040
mind matter direct inter interaction the

1732
01:23:55,610 --> 01:23:52,260
mind causing something to happen at a

1733
01:23:58,670 --> 01:23:55,620
distance we're today I think the pop

1734
01:24:01,340 --> 01:23:58,680
culture way of looking at telekinesis is

1735
01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:01,350
you're knocking an object off a table or

1736
01:24:05,290 --> 01:24:04,170
starting a fire right so that we would

1737
01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:05,300
call macro

1738
01:24:11,480 --> 01:24:08,130
pk2 macroscopic effect meaning that you

1739
01:24:14,570 --> 01:24:11,490
could see it with the naked eye there

1740
01:24:17,090 --> 01:24:14,580
are lots of anecdotes of people who

1741
01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:17,100
claim that they can do that in real

1742
01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:19,170
magic I have a chapter devoted to these

1743
01:24:26,630 --> 01:24:22,770
macro PK events but they are extremely

1744
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:26,640
rare it is so rare that I have yet to

1745
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:29,850
find anybody who can do these effects

1746
01:24:34,340 --> 01:24:33,330
on-demand to do it spontaneously there

1747
01:24:36,860 --> 01:24:34,350
are all kinds of weird stuff that

1748
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:36,870
happens spontaneously but to do it on

1749
01:24:40,090 --> 01:24:38,970
demand in the lab under controlled

1750
01:24:47,030 --> 01:24:40,100
conditions

1751
01:24:49,370 --> 01:24:47,040
extremely rare before we move on I have

1752
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:49,380
you what you're saying spontaneously

1753
01:24:54,710 --> 01:24:52,050
you're in the lab have you seen somebody

1754
01:24:57,950 --> 01:24:54,720
knock books off the shelf or I could

1755
01:25:00,710 --> 01:24:57,960
chair over we once had somebody in the

1756
01:25:02,240 --> 01:25:00,720
lab doing an experiment and she got kind

1757
01:25:06,140 --> 01:25:02,250
of angry because she wasn't getting a

1758
01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:06,150
good result so she swore at the

1759
01:25:11,510 --> 01:25:09,090
equipment and at that very moment all of

1760
01:25:16,220 --> 01:25:11,520
the power was knocked out in the county

1761
01:25:17,640 --> 01:25:16,230
where I live so yeah so I mean my

1762
01:25:19,590 --> 01:25:17,650
experience of it was

1763
01:25:22,110 --> 01:25:19,600
all the lights went out in the lab and

1764
01:25:24,419 --> 01:25:22,120
then we started checking we said oh it

1765
01:25:26,399 --> 01:25:24,429
went out in the whole campus oops it

1766
01:25:28,110 --> 01:25:26,409
went out in the whole town it went out

1767
01:25:29,820 --> 01:25:28,120
actually in their entire county

1768
01:25:31,740 --> 01:25:29,830
wait a minute somebody told me this

1769
01:25:36,090 --> 01:25:31,750
story who were you in the lab with we

1770
01:25:39,090 --> 01:25:36,100
was at Russell no it's it's a lady I

1771
01:25:42,270 --> 01:25:39,100
know this in a nearby town who is one of

1772
01:25:44,910 --> 01:25:42,280
those natural psychic types yes but but

1773
01:25:48,450 --> 01:25:44,920
also has been initiated as both a

1774
01:25:50,729 --> 01:25:48,460
Siberian shaman and as a Mongolian

1775
01:25:54,060 --> 01:25:50,739
shaman for the the only woman that we

1776
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:54,070
know of that is actually initiated in

1777
01:25:59,189 --> 01:25:55,810
both of those traditions but she's an

1778
01:26:00,030 --> 01:25:59,199
American lady incredible incredible now

1779
01:26:03,260 --> 01:26:00,040
okay

1780
01:26:07,470 --> 01:26:03,270
so you're saying that you felt that

1781
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:07,480
these two incidents were connected well

1782
01:26:13,340 --> 01:26:10,090
it that's what I mean by spontaneous so

1783
01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:13,350
this was a correlation in time where she

1784
01:26:19,649 --> 01:26:17,530
basically exclaimed that she was really

1785
01:26:22,350 --> 01:26:19,659
angry and wanted to change the system

1786
01:26:24,750 --> 01:26:22,360
and so at that moment at the moment that

1787
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:24,760
she said that all of the lights went out

1788
01:26:29,850 --> 01:26:26,890
all the power went out for a space of

1789
01:26:33,180 --> 01:26:29,860
about I don't know 40 square miles right

1790
01:26:35,340 --> 01:26:33,190
so so did she do that or not well that's

1791
01:26:38,160 --> 01:26:35,350
the problem you see it wasn't part of

1792
01:26:40,740 --> 01:26:38,170
the control right and even for myself

1793
01:26:43,919 --> 01:26:40,750
once had a so-called spoon bending party

1794
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:43,929
I bent the bowl of a big soup spoon in

1795
01:26:47,939 --> 01:26:46,449
half and I know I didn't use force

1796
01:26:49,470 --> 01:26:47,949
because I remember looking at my fingers

1797
01:26:51,630 --> 01:26:49,480
thinking how in the world did I do that

1798
01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:51,640
and I didn't there's no indentation on

1799
01:26:56,189 --> 01:26:54,250
my fingers but somehow I bent the bowl

1800
01:26:59,399 --> 01:26:56,199
of a spoon in half well you can't do

1801
01:27:03,060 --> 01:26:59,409
that but I did it so and you couldn't

1802
01:27:04,709 --> 01:27:03,070
repeat it no I I don't know what I did

1803
01:27:06,330 --> 01:27:04,719
so I don't know how to repeat it you

1804
01:27:08,459 --> 01:27:06,340
should have asked okay that was good

1805
01:27:12,959 --> 01:27:08,469
that was forty square miles let's do San

1806
01:27:14,550 --> 01:27:12,969
Jose next yeah so this is it's important

1807
01:27:18,660 --> 01:27:14,560
in discussing these macro effects

1808
01:27:20,250 --> 01:27:18,670
because they're so big and yet not under

1809
01:27:23,189 --> 01:27:20,260
your control that you actually become

1810
01:27:25,260 --> 01:27:23,199
scared I was scared after I figured out

1811
01:27:27,300 --> 01:27:25,270
I've just been told in a way that's

1812
01:27:29,790 --> 01:27:27,310
impossible and I was in the airplane

1813
01:27:30,950 --> 01:27:29,800
going home still trying to do it with a

1814
01:27:32,990 --> 01:27:30,960
different spoon and

1815
01:27:35,479 --> 01:27:33,000
really got scared when I realized that I

1816
01:27:38,630 --> 01:27:35,489
don't know how I did it and I don't know

1817
01:27:40,190 --> 01:27:38,640
the extent so maybe I'll succeed by

1818
01:27:43,250 --> 01:27:40,200
having the the wings of the airplane

1819
01:27:46,190 --> 01:27:43,260
drop off we've got one minute left let's

1820
01:27:48,830 --> 01:27:46,200
do remote viewing and precognition give

1821
01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:48,840
me the two definitions remote viewing is

1822
01:27:53,209 --> 01:27:51,210
a modern term for clairvoyance meaning

1823
01:27:53,950 --> 01:27:53,219
perception through space or time that's

1824
01:27:56,650 --> 01:27:53,960
all it is

1825
01:28:04,700 --> 01:27:56,660
precognition is perception through time

1826
01:28:07,940 --> 01:28:04,710
and is that okay is one different from

1827
01:28:10,729 --> 01:28:07,950
the other or is it like square and a

1828
01:28:15,020 --> 01:28:10,739
rectangle situation yeah there are you

1829
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:15,030
familiar nonnamous and euphemisms that

1830
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:16,410
the only difference with remote viewing

1831
01:28:22,610 --> 01:28:19,530
is that it implies a particular training

1832
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:22,620
method to get there but the underlying

1833
01:28:27,170 --> 01:28:24,930
phenomenon is clairvoyance mister

1834
01:28:29,420 --> 01:28:27,180
clairvoyance includes precognition but

1835
01:28:31,190 --> 01:28:29,430
exactly let's take a break right here do

1836
01:28:35,150 --> 01:28:31,200
you consider yourself a good remote

1837
01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:35,160
viewer not as talented as many that I've

1838
01:28:41,240 --> 01:28:39,690
met yeah I so want to learn this is fade

1839
01:28:42,979 --> 01:28:41,250
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1840
01:28:45,500 --> 01:28:42,989
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1841
01:28:51,550 --> 01:28:45,510
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1842
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Network hi I'm Lisa Vance you're

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listening to Jimmy Church this is a

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[Music]

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welcome back fade to black I'm history

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church you can follow me on twitter at

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JDO hashtag f2 B is the sandbox hashtag

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if to be Q is fade to black questions

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I've got a few lined up here for Dean

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actually two as well and thank you

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everybody for going nuts on on Twitter

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tonight Dean what's your eye what's your

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Twitter handle that's a good question

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you were supposed to know I was going to

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ask that question yeah but I can't know

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everything all at once I suppose it's

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probably Dean Radin okay there you go

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and I think we have it up there in

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Twitter and you can follow a Dean and

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Dean Radin now we're gonna pick up where

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we left off we were working on

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definitions and now we're going to

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discuss real magic what's the definition

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of real magic so the real magic is a way

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of talking about magic which is not

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Harry Potter and not Harry Houdini

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because those are the other two types of

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magic those are both fictional magic or

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fake magic so I wanted to talk about the

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real magic the real stuff and we earlier

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were talking about everything from

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shamanism to Christian Science and new

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thought it's somewhere between ten and

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fifty thousand year history of the

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esoteric ideas well there are many many

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scholars who've written hundreds of

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thousands of books about in fact there

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are even academic societies that study

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these traditions but I was interested in

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not so much in the nuances between the

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say neoplatonism and Gnosticism when

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even terror specialists and those kinds

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of comparisons I was interested in

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what's the common thread throughout the

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all of the esoteric traditions and this

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is sometimes called the perennial

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philosophy which is the name of a book

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written by Aldous Huxley and the

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perennial philosophy is it makes it very

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clear what what this esoteric cosmology

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is all about basically three words

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consciousness is fundamental that's what

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the esoteric

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are all about so consciousness is

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fundamental is completely opposite from

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what is the prevailing scientific

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worldview and this is one of the reasons

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why from a mainstream scientific

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perspective which is how most people are

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trained today things like psychic

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phenomenon and remote viewing the whole

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whole domain of these experiences are

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considered somewhere between ridiculous

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and impossible because it doesn't fit

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the world view that we're taught but it

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does fit the esoteric worldview because

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if consciousness is fundamental it means

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that this internal sense of awareness

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that we have our experiences that seems

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to be most of the time related to our

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brain or at least inside our head

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somewhere from a scientific perspective

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we have no idea how that happens yet and

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this is one of the points in the book

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that science this is one of the major

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outstanding issues in science is how to

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account for the fact that we are aware

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in fact it's it's such a strange

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question to even ask people why you know

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what do you think your awareness is I

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remember way back when when I was going

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to Princeton I mentioned to an uncle

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that was going to Prince and he said

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well what are you gonna do I said I'm a

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studying consciousness it took him a

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long time to figure out that that's the

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thing that you can study right you're

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studying the nature of awareness itself

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up until fairly recently with the

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neuroscience is the only way we could do

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that was by introspection like

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meditation

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you can't introspect and you begin to

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learn about the nature of consciousness

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that way but from a scientific

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perspective the only way that we've had

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to study consciousness is by studying

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the brain and that that's the way that

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most neuroscientists

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today think about it they think that

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awareness is the brain but all of the

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psychic phenomena suggests that that is

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not the case that's one again another

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reason why psychic phenomena are

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considered to be so controversial from a

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scientific perspective because they

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don't fit so the esoteric idea

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is basically a set of philosophies we're

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living within a set of assumptions all

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the time real magic is actually a book

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about philosophy but my editor said you

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cannot put the word philosophy in a book

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that you expect more than three people

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to read so okay well it's about the

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philosophy of magic which is really

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about our assumptions well how do what

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do we think the world is actually made

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of so you have 10 or 20,000 years of

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people who pretty much agreed that the

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world is made up out of consciousness

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it's literally made out of awareness

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itself so real magic then fits in with

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this idea because if awareness is is the

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real bottom like the bottom of

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everything not matter and energy but

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consciousness itself then suddenly

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awareness is primary over the physical

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world and awareness being primary means

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that it's not in the physical world the

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physical world is emerging out of

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awareness itself that's what all the

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esoteric religions say it's what all the

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Mystics say ancient mystics and modern

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mystics they all say the same thing and

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what about let me jump in real cool what

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about Hermeticism and an alchemy too as

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well it's all part of the same tradition

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it is yes so you you do the synthesis

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and saying whoa okay it's all about

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consciousness but you look then at the

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practices of these esoteric traditions

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it falls into three classes and so these

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are things that people do based on this

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cosmology so the analogy I make is that

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technology today's technology is to

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science as magical practices are to the

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esoteric traditions so the magical

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practices is a technology of

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consciousness so the three classes are

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divination divination means perception

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through time and space whether it's

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associated with crystal balls with doing

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tarot cards with the II Ching so on the

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next practice is manifestation or

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sometimes called power of will

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which is psychokinesis it's mine matter

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interaction the third category is called

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theour G which is all about

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communicating with disembodied spirits

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or entities of some type so that's

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basically it those are the three types

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of practices that we call magic real

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magic and they're all based on the this

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esoteric idea that everything is

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fundamentally made out of consciousness

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and how do you which is what is

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discussed in the book of course but how

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do you tackle presenting scientific

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evidence for all of all three and and

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one other question and and let's tackle

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two are you able to see movement at the

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atomic or subatomic level with

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microscopes of the effects because you

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mentioned bacteria earlier too as well I

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find that fascinating where you are able

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to show movement like maybe reversing

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the orbit of an electron or some crazy

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01:41:20,549 --> 01:41:18,489
thing are you able to present that

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scientifically to as well that would be

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almost the Holy Grail

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yeah so this smallest system that's been

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systematically looked at is photons so

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photons are pretty small it's it's of

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course a packet of electromagnetic

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energy and yeah there are experiments

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that show that photon behavior can be

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changed so that would fall into the

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force of will or manifestation cuz it

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has to do with the power of intention so

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how do you demonstrate that something

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like divination this magical practice

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exists well as you you just heard

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divination is all about perception

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through space and time well that sounds

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a lot like clairvoyance because that's

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exactly what clairvoyance is right

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precognition is perception through time

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clairvoyance is sometimes thought of as

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perception through space so that so this

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is where my my inspiration came from

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when I've been studying clairvoyance and

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these other psychic abilities and

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after looking at this history of the

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esoteric ideas I realized that what

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parapsychologists have been doing for

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about a hundred and fifty years is very

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explicitly studying magical practices so

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we study precognition well--that's

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divination we study psychokinesis that's

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what a magician would call manifestation

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we study mediumship or near-death

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experience that's what a magician will

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call Theo G so we're using modern

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controlled scientific methods to study

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01:42:55,610 --> 01:42:53,489
these ancient magical practices and when

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you do that you find that sure enough

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some of these magical practices are

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actually real as best as we can tell

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using scientific methods and so let's go

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01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:07,290
to psychokinesis for instance what type

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01:43:15,020 --> 01:43:11,850
of experiment have you set up to to

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present this so I'll just give one

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example what you talk about in the book

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and this is with a colleague in Taiwan

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where we wanted to see whether

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intentionally affected water would make

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plants grow differently so there was a

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Buddhist there's a Buddhist temple in

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Taiwan we asked the three senior monks

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there to intentionally affect water so

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that the water would be used to hydrate

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seeds and then the seed to grow plants

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and then there was a identical batch of

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water that was not intentionally

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affected so in order to do this in a

2153
01:43:57,979 --> 01:43:55,290
proper way after the the water is

2154
01:43:59,660 --> 01:43:57,989
affected and we have control water from

2155
01:44:02,330 --> 01:43:59,670
that point on everything is double-blind

2156
01:44:04,370 --> 01:44:02,340
so the person who is treating the seeds

2157
01:44:06,650 --> 01:44:04,380
and measuring the plants and so on they

2158
01:44:08,570 --> 01:44:06,660
have no idea which which batch of water

2159
01:44:11,300 --> 01:44:08,580
they're dealing with but they use both

2160
01:44:14,090 --> 01:44:11,310
batches in growing these plants and then

2161
01:44:15,860 --> 01:44:14,100
later the analyst gets the data and they

2162
01:44:17,419 --> 01:44:15,870
don't know which is which either and

2163
01:44:20,090 --> 01:44:17,429
they analyze it and get some kind of

2164
01:44:24,169 --> 01:44:20,100
result well before we get to the results

2165
01:44:25,820 --> 01:44:24,179
how are they affecting it you know what

2166
01:44:31,610 --> 01:44:25,830
are they doing are they sitting and

2167
01:44:33,190 --> 01:44:31,620
looking at a jar of water and you know

2168
01:44:35,410 --> 01:44:33,200
how is that happening

2169
01:44:39,660 --> 01:44:35,420
there are bottles of water in front of

2170
01:44:41,920 --> 01:44:39,670
them they're given instructions to bless

2171
01:44:43,600 --> 01:44:41,930
intentionally bless the water so that

2172
01:44:46,840 --> 01:44:43,610
plants that are grown with the water

2173
01:44:49,120 --> 01:44:46,850
would would grow better would be have

2174
01:44:51,850 --> 01:44:49,130
show more vigor and better growth right

2175
01:44:53,590 --> 01:44:51,860
and in order to prevent the other

2176
01:44:55,720 --> 01:44:53,600
bottles of water which are in the same

2177
01:44:58,360 --> 01:44:55,730
building from accidentally being

2178
01:45:00,040 --> 01:44:58,370
infected by the blessing exactly they

2179
01:45:02,080 --> 01:45:00,050
were asked to do a secondary blessing

2180
01:45:04,270 --> 01:45:02,090
which was to make sure that the control

2181
01:45:06,010 --> 01:45:04,280
water did not get the blessing like an

2182
01:45:08,470 --> 01:45:06,020
anti blessing on the control water so

2183
01:45:10,300 --> 01:45:08,480
they'd keep it like normal water an anti

2184
01:45:12,340 --> 01:45:10,310
blessing right right yeah because we

2185
01:45:14,620 --> 01:45:12,350
don't know we don't know the extent to

2186
01:45:18,100 --> 01:45:14,630
which these things work well the anti

2187
01:45:20,920 --> 01:45:18,110
blessing is just as strong as the

2188
01:45:23,770 --> 01:45:20,930
blessing well we didn't say that to make

2189
01:45:26,920 --> 01:45:23,780
it like a literally anti blessing it was

2190
01:45:28,960 --> 01:45:26,930
more like to shield that water against

2191
01:45:31,000 --> 01:45:28,970
the blessing sure it was so it wouldn't

2192
01:45:33,940 --> 01:45:31,010
be affected this is exciting okay so

2193
01:45:35,680 --> 01:45:33,950
what happened so the plants are grown by

2194
01:45:37,320 --> 01:45:35,690
somebody who basically that's their job

2195
01:45:41,020 --> 01:45:37,330
they just grow these plants all the time

2196
01:45:42,670 --> 01:45:41,030
and this was by a plant biologist so the

2197
01:45:45,850 --> 01:45:42,680
technicians that's all they do is cause

2198
01:45:48,780 --> 01:45:45,860
it's for these kinds of seeds and so we

2199
01:45:50,890 --> 01:45:48,790
we ended up doing four experiments

2200
01:45:53,610 --> 01:45:50,900
slightly different conditions with each

2201
01:45:56,830 --> 01:45:53,620
one and also different kinds of seeds

2202
01:45:59,980 --> 01:45:56,840
the seed that we're using is called a

2203
01:46:03,550 --> 01:45:59,990
rabbit dose a rabid oopss thaliana

2204
01:46:06,900 --> 01:46:03,560
and it's we chose it because this is a

2205
01:46:10,630 --> 01:46:06,910
plant that's used in a lot of biological

2206
01:46:13,570 --> 01:46:10,640
experiments because its genome has been

2207
01:46:17,290 --> 01:46:13,580
full is known the complete genome and it

2208
01:46:19,570 --> 01:46:17,300
has like a lot of living systems we're

2209
01:46:22,750 --> 01:46:19,580
not that different from a banana for

2210
01:46:25,930 --> 01:46:22,760
example from from our genetics and this

2211
01:46:28,960 --> 01:46:25,940
rabid abscess thaliana seed also as lots

2212
01:46:32,200 --> 01:46:28,970
and lots of Gina of genes in its genome

2213
01:46:35,650 --> 01:46:32,210
which are analogues to human genes so

2214
01:46:37,570 --> 01:46:35,660
you can study disease in genetics by

2215
01:46:40,300 --> 01:46:37,580
looking at different kinds of plants

2216
01:46:42,220 --> 01:46:40,310
what netic affects in the plants and you

2217
01:46:44,200 --> 01:46:42,230
know that it would be similar in humans

2218
01:46:47,379 --> 01:46:44,210
so that's why the plant is used a lot in

2219
01:46:51,070 --> 01:46:47,389
medical research so we used

2220
01:46:53,200 --> 01:46:51,080
mutation of the of this kind of plant we

2221
01:46:55,000 --> 01:46:53,210
use the what's called the wild-type

2222
01:46:58,320 --> 01:46:55,010
which is the plant that you'd find out

2223
01:47:02,439 --> 01:46:58,330
out in the world but a mutation which

2224
01:47:05,530 --> 01:47:02,449
has more cryptochrome it's a protein in

2225
01:47:08,290 --> 01:47:05,540
the plant than the wild-type so why

2226
01:47:11,229 --> 01:47:08,300
cryptochrome cryptochrome is called a

2227
01:47:13,090 --> 01:47:11,239
flavo protein it's the protein inside a

2228
01:47:16,149 --> 01:47:13,100
plant that is sensitive to blue light

2229
01:47:19,570 --> 01:47:16,159
and in many plants it's the it's the

2230
01:47:22,330 --> 01:47:19,580
protein that that absorbs energy and

2231
01:47:24,850 --> 01:47:22,340
causes the plant to point itself towards

2232
01:47:26,320 --> 01:47:24,860
the Sun over the day so this the plant

2233
01:47:29,530 --> 01:47:26,330
will kind of move as the Sun moves

2234
01:47:30,640 --> 01:47:29,540
because it's pulling in energy well it

2235
01:47:33,340 --> 01:47:30,650
turns out that all living systems

2236
01:47:35,320 --> 01:47:33,350
including humans have cryptochrome and

2237
01:47:37,720 --> 01:47:35,330
cryptochrome is very interesting because

2238
01:47:41,350 --> 01:47:37,730
it is thought to have quantum properties

2239
01:47:44,500 --> 01:47:41,360
in fact in birds it is found in the

2240
01:47:46,479 --> 01:47:44,510
retina of the birds and many birds

2241
01:47:50,080 --> 01:47:46,489
especially ones that navigate long

2242
01:47:52,240 --> 01:47:50,090
distances seem to do so by actually

2243
01:47:55,090 --> 01:47:52,250
seeing the Earth's lines of magnetic

2244
01:47:56,890 --> 01:47:55,100
force they can see it because the

2245
01:47:59,890 --> 01:47:56,900
cryptochrome is sensitive all the way

2246
01:48:02,530 --> 01:47:59,900
down to the Earth's magnetic field so

2247
01:48:04,419 --> 01:48:02,540
and because of a quantum property so

2248
01:48:08,770 --> 01:48:04,429
what we're doing that is using the plant

2249
01:48:11,020 --> 01:48:08,780
as a proxy for a quantum system a living

2250
01:48:12,939 --> 01:48:11,030
quantum system and there are now a

2251
01:48:14,740 --> 01:48:12,949
number of things like photosynthesis and

2252
01:48:16,419 --> 01:48:14,750
a few other aspects of living systems

2253
01:48:20,800 --> 01:48:16,429
which are thought to operate in quantum

2254
01:48:22,540 --> 01:48:20,810
ways so we're able to use a macroscopic

2255
01:48:25,390 --> 01:48:22,550
object namely a plant that's around

2256
01:48:27,850 --> 01:48:25,400
three inches tall but is saturated with

2257
01:48:30,520 --> 01:48:27,860
this particular kind of protein which is

2258
01:48:31,660 --> 01:48:30,530
operating the quantum scale and we think

2259
01:48:34,330 --> 01:48:31,670
that there might be a relationship

2260
01:48:36,129 --> 01:48:34,340
between consciousness and quantum

2261
01:48:36,970 --> 01:48:36,139
phenomena and so this was a convenient

2262
01:48:41,800 --> 01:48:36,980
way to do it

2263
01:48:43,330 --> 01:48:41,810
sure so we we have the the treated the

2264
01:48:45,100 --> 01:48:43,340
Blessed water and the unblessed water

2265
01:48:46,930 --> 01:48:45,110
they used to hydrate the seeds the seeds

2266
01:48:48,790 --> 01:48:46,940
grow and one of the measures were

2267
01:48:51,160 --> 01:48:48,800
interested in is called the hypo coddled

2268
01:48:52,660 --> 01:48:51,170
this is the distance between the top of

2269
01:48:54,040 --> 01:48:52,670
the seed and the bottom of where the

2270
01:48:56,439 --> 01:48:54,050
first leaves

2271
01:49:00,430 --> 01:48:56,449
show up it's like the stem of the seed

2272
01:49:01,000 --> 01:49:00,440
so a really strong healthy seed will

2273
01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:01,010
have a

2274
01:49:07,390 --> 01:49:04,010
or fad hypo coddled and that means that

2275
01:49:09,339 --> 01:49:07,400
it's it's gonna stand up strong it's not

2276
01:49:12,220 --> 01:49:09,349
wasting too much energy by making a very

2277
01:49:14,580 --> 01:49:12,230
long stem because if you plant the seed

2278
01:49:17,200 --> 01:49:14,590
upside down for example it starts going

2279
01:49:18,790 --> 01:49:17,210
towards or desert one has to turn around

2280
01:49:20,649 --> 01:49:18,800
so takes a lot more energy to do that

2281
01:49:22,930 --> 01:49:20,659
you end up with a much longer hypo

2282
01:49:26,379 --> 01:49:22,940
coddled or if there's not enough light

2283
01:49:28,600 --> 01:49:26,389
it has to stretch to find some light so

2284
01:49:32,109 --> 01:49:28,610
we're looking for short fat hypo

2285
01:49:33,939 --> 01:49:32,119
Cottle's and the blessed seeds and and

2286
01:49:36,009 --> 01:49:33,949
something else and the non blessed seeds

2287
01:49:37,779 --> 01:49:36,019
and that's what we found ended up doing

2288
01:49:40,540 --> 01:49:37,789
four experiments each experiment was

2289
01:49:44,379 --> 01:49:40,550
replicated three times and overall there

2290
01:49:46,720 --> 01:49:44,389
was no question at all that the blessed

2291
01:49:50,939 --> 01:49:46,730
seeds grew much better than the

2292
01:49:53,589 --> 01:49:50,949
unblessed seeds now how could you

2293
01:49:54,990 --> 01:49:53,599
because our bodies are what ninety

2294
01:49:57,759 --> 01:49:55,000
ninety five percent water

2295
01:50:00,220 --> 01:49:57,769
what our babies but for adults more like

2296
01:50:03,490 --> 01:50:00,230
75 okay seventy five good enough for me

2297
01:50:07,089 --> 01:50:03,500
yeah right how could we use that to

2298
01:50:08,770 --> 01:50:07,099
affect us well if you are drinking

2299
01:50:10,569 --> 01:50:08,780
blessed water with the right kind of

2300
01:50:13,060 --> 01:50:10,579
blessing then presumably it would help

2301
01:50:14,770 --> 01:50:13,070
you in terms of your health and I and

2302
01:50:17,529 --> 01:50:14,780
what about blessing the water that is

2303
01:50:19,839 --> 01:50:17,539
already inside of us well that too

2304
01:50:22,720 --> 01:50:19,849
in fact this is one of the ways that is

2305
01:50:25,270 --> 01:50:22,730
thought that psychic healing might work

2306
01:50:28,060 --> 01:50:25,280
that it is changing the nature of the

2307
01:50:30,790 --> 01:50:28,070
water inside of you I mean I find that

2308
01:50:33,459 --> 01:50:30,800
exciting I've often thought about that

2309
01:50:36,790 --> 01:50:33,469
but you know we are if we can't affect

2310
01:50:39,910 --> 01:50:36,800
water and here our bodies are you know

2311
01:50:41,859 --> 01:50:39,920
75% water for instance well then we

2312
01:50:43,629 --> 01:50:41,869
could definitely change our moods we

2313
01:50:46,270 --> 01:50:43,639
could do a lot of things you could do a

2314
01:50:48,819 --> 01:50:46,280
lot of things yeah yeah absolutely so we

2315
01:50:51,580 --> 01:50:48,829
use the the plants again kind of as an

2316
01:50:53,830 --> 01:50:51,590
analog for human health just simply to

2317
01:50:56,259 --> 01:50:53,840
see whether whether it would do anything

2318
01:50:58,740 --> 01:50:56,269
well so we have pretty good evidence and

2319
01:51:02,080 --> 01:50:58,750
it'll do something it does something big

2320
01:51:04,330 --> 01:51:02,090
so and of course it's in this case its

2321
01:51:06,700 --> 01:51:04,340
macroscopic we're taking a seed and

2322
01:51:08,410 --> 01:51:06,710
growing the seed and seeing an effect

2323
01:51:11,500 --> 01:51:08,420
which you can see with your naked eye

2324
01:51:13,509 --> 01:51:11,510
but the underlying effect we think is

2325
01:51:14,810 --> 01:51:13,519
really really subtle it's a tiny little

2326
01:51:17,810 --> 01:51:14,820
effect but it just is

2327
01:51:21,230 --> 01:51:17,820
by the the growth of the receipt itself

2328
01:51:23,360 --> 01:51:21,240
no so you did you repeated the you did

2329
01:51:26,530 --> 01:51:23,370
four experiments repeated it three times

2330
01:51:31,670 --> 01:51:26,540
well where were you out for success

2331
01:51:33,440 --> 01:51:31,680
100% 90% oh well we look at it in terms

2332
01:51:35,540 --> 01:51:33,450
of the overall probability of the

2333
01:51:39,110 --> 01:51:35,550
distant of the difference between the

2334
01:51:41,420 --> 01:51:39,120
treated and non treated seeds and it's

2335
01:51:44,180 --> 01:51:41,430
related to you get an average length of

2336
01:51:45,380 --> 01:51:44,190
the hypotenuse for the blessed ones and

2337
01:51:47,230 --> 01:51:45,390
for the non blessed ones I forget

2338
01:51:50,440 --> 01:51:47,240
exactly what the difference was and

2339
01:51:53,210 --> 01:51:50,450
absolute terms but from a probabilistic

2340
01:51:55,550 --> 01:51:53,220
perspective it was it was trillions to

2341
01:51:58,100 --> 01:51:55,560
one against chance so there's there

2342
01:51:59,390 --> 01:51:58,110
basically no question that the seeds

2343
01:52:01,670 --> 01:51:59,400
grew in a different way

2344
01:52:06,020 --> 01:52:01,680
now what about when we're dealing with

2345
01:52:08,660 --> 01:52:06,030
you know the mind or trying to sense or

2346
01:52:09,860 --> 01:52:08,670
communicate with somebody you know over

2347
01:52:12,110 --> 01:52:09,870
great distances

2348
01:52:15,320 --> 01:52:12,120
how how do you set up that type of

2349
01:52:18,140 --> 01:52:15,330
experiment and you know take that into

2350
01:52:22,160 --> 01:52:18,150
hardcore science you mean for telepathy

2351
01:52:24,620 --> 01:52:22,170
experiment yes so the classic form of

2352
01:52:26,930 --> 01:52:24,630
telepathy experiment is called the

2353
01:52:31,010 --> 01:52:26,940
ganzfeld experiment Khan's Feld is a

2354
01:52:35,810 --> 01:52:31,020
German word meaning whole field and is

2355
01:52:39,200 --> 01:52:35,820
actually the the way manifests is a nun

2356
01:52:40,880 --> 01:52:39,210
patterned sensory stimulus so that

2357
01:52:42,760 --> 01:52:40,890
sounds very fancy but all it really

2358
01:52:45,140 --> 01:52:42,770
means as you sit in the comfy chair

2359
01:52:49,160 --> 01:52:45,150
you'll have a 1/2 of a ping-pong ball

2360
01:52:51,440 --> 01:52:49,170
put over each eye it's taped down you

2361
01:52:54,050 --> 01:52:51,450
keep your eyes open and then we shine a

2362
01:52:56,570 --> 01:52:54,060
red light in your face so with your eyes

2363
01:52:58,910 --> 01:52:56,580
open anywhere you look you only see a

2364
01:53:01,010 --> 01:52:58,920
kind of a pink color and then we put

2365
01:53:03,170 --> 01:53:01,020
headphones on that are playing white

2366
01:53:04,970 --> 01:53:03,180
noise so you can't hear anything and

2367
01:53:08,600 --> 01:53:04,980
can't see anything you're not sleeping

2368
01:53:10,220 --> 01:53:08,610
and the because of the pattern stimulus

2369
01:53:12,380 --> 01:53:10,230
in your ears and your eyes are open you

2370
01:53:14,240 --> 01:53:12,390
don't really fall asleep either well

2371
01:53:16,580 --> 01:53:14,250
what happens is you go pretty quickly

2372
01:53:19,550 --> 01:53:16,590
within a couple of minutes into the

2373
01:53:21,290 --> 01:53:19,560
state like a hypnagogic state that's the

2374
01:53:24,170 --> 01:53:21,300
state that just when you're falling

2375
01:53:26,840 --> 01:53:24,180
asleep you start having images come they

2376
01:53:28,719 --> 01:53:26,850
could be very vivid and this gun's Feld

2377
01:53:32,560 --> 01:53:28,729
condition stimulates that

2378
01:53:34,270 --> 01:53:32,570
so you think of it as after a couple of

2379
01:53:37,390 --> 01:53:34,280
minutes of this uniform background

2380
01:53:38,620 --> 01:53:37,400
stimulation and you become starved for

2381
01:53:40,750 --> 01:53:38,630
something different

2382
01:53:43,299 --> 01:53:40,760
and so you come really really sensitive

2383
01:53:45,879 --> 01:53:43,309
to any kind of impression that's that's

2384
01:53:47,350 --> 01:53:45,889
coming internally or externally so

2385
01:53:49,089 --> 01:53:47,360
that's the person who will play the role

2386
01:53:50,500 --> 01:53:49,099
of the receiver in a telepathy

2387
01:53:55,029 --> 01:53:50,510
experiment got it

2388
01:53:58,810 --> 01:53:55,039
now remote located at a distant place

2389
01:54:02,560 --> 01:53:58,820
and shielded from this receiver the

2390
01:54:05,140 --> 01:54:02,570
experimenter hands the sender a randomly

2391
01:54:07,149 --> 01:54:05,150
selected picture it's typically one

2392
01:54:09,910 --> 01:54:07,159
picture out of a pool of four possible

2393
01:54:11,040 --> 01:54:09,920
pictures so they give them one that was

2394
01:54:13,569 --> 01:54:11,050
selected at random

2395
01:54:15,189 --> 01:54:13,579
neither the sender or receiver had any

2396
01:54:18,699 --> 01:54:15,199
idea in advance what that picture would

2397
01:54:21,219 --> 01:54:18,709
be but the sender is task is to mentally

2398
01:54:24,100 --> 01:54:21,229
send that information to the receiver

2399
01:54:25,899 --> 01:54:24,110
and some designs you have the receivers

2400
01:54:28,120 --> 01:54:25,909
speak aloud anything that comes to mind

2401
01:54:30,910 --> 01:54:28,130
any kind of impression and you take a

2402
01:54:33,370 --> 01:54:30,920
one-way audio link from the receiver

2403
01:54:35,199 --> 01:54:33,380
back to the sender so whatever the

2404
01:54:37,719 --> 01:54:35,209
sender is doing mentally to try to send

2405
01:54:40,629 --> 01:54:37,729
the information they can hear the

2406
01:54:43,239 --> 01:54:40,639
receiver speaking aloud so they can kind

2407
01:54:45,279 --> 01:54:43,249
of adjust their sending strategy to help

2408
01:54:48,009 --> 01:54:45,289
the receiver get the information that

2409
01:54:50,649 --> 01:54:48,019
they're trying to send so what I just

2410
01:54:52,839 --> 01:54:50,659
described is would take three or four

2411
01:54:55,060 --> 01:54:52,849
people to do the experiment the two

2412
01:54:57,310 --> 01:54:55,070
subjects a couple of experimenters it

2413
01:55:00,370 --> 01:54:57,320
might take 90 minutes for the whole

2414
01:55:03,160 --> 01:55:00,380
experiment to take place the receiver

2415
01:55:04,660 --> 01:55:03,170
after 20 minutes of sending the

2416
01:55:07,750 --> 01:55:04,670
receivers taken out of the Khans felt

2417
01:55:09,129 --> 01:55:07,760
condition is shown four pictures one of

2418
01:55:11,259 --> 01:55:09,139
which was the one that the sender was

2419
01:55:14,560 --> 01:55:11,269
trying to send along with three decoys

2420
01:55:17,379 --> 01:55:14,570
and so the the receivers job then is to

2421
01:55:19,060 --> 01:55:17,389
select based on their impressions which

2422
01:55:21,520 --> 01:55:19,070
of the four pictures they thought was

2423
01:55:23,379 --> 01:55:21,530
being sent to them so by chance you'd

2424
01:55:26,169 --> 01:55:23,389
get it one in four times twenty-five

2425
01:55:28,739 --> 01:55:26,179
percent right what we see after more

2426
01:55:31,149 --> 01:55:28,749
than four thousand sessions of this type

2427
01:55:35,160 --> 01:55:31,159
conducted in over 20 labs around the

2428
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world is 32 percent so rather than

2429
01:55:39,929 --> 01:55:37,459
getting it correct one in four times

2430
01:55:42,279 --> 01:55:39,939
it's correct about one in three times

2431
01:55:42,550 --> 01:55:42,289
well that doesn't sound very good until

2432
01:55:44,920 --> 01:55:42,560
you do

2433
01:55:47,380 --> 01:55:44,930
the statistics on this to find out well

2434
01:55:49,900 --> 01:55:47,390
is this the is this dude a chance or not

2435
01:55:51,940 --> 01:55:49,910
well no it's not due to chance

2436
01:55:54,250 --> 01:55:51,950
the odds against chance are beyond the

2437
01:55:58,180 --> 01:55:54,260
quadrillion to one a thousand trillion

2438
01:56:02,620 --> 01:55:58,190
to one that you would get a 32% hit rate

2439
01:56:04,450 --> 01:56:02,630
when 25% is chance so that that's how

2440
01:56:06,370 --> 01:56:04,460
you can tell under very rigorous

2441
01:56:08,530 --> 01:56:06,380
conditions with a very simple

2442
01:56:11,260 --> 01:56:08,540
statistical method that people are

2443
01:56:12,610 --> 01:56:11,270
getting more information the receiver is

2444
01:56:15,280 --> 01:56:12,620
getting more information than they

2445
01:56:17,470 --> 01:56:15,290
should if all they were doing was simply

2446
01:56:20,380 --> 01:56:17,480
selecting a picture of chance and what

2447
01:56:22,210 --> 01:56:20,390
about taking it to another level where

2448
01:56:26,200 --> 01:56:22,220
they're not actually picking the picture

2449
01:56:31,090 --> 01:56:26,210
but they would have to draw what they

2450
01:56:32,920 --> 01:56:31,100
were hopefully seeing or feeling that

2451
01:56:35,440 --> 01:56:32,930
would be closer to a remote viewing

2452
01:56:38,890 --> 01:56:35,450
experiment right right remotely

2453
01:56:41,140 --> 01:56:38,900
experiment differs because typically

2454
01:56:43,540 --> 01:56:41,150
they're you you don't get to see four

2455
01:56:46,540 --> 01:56:43,550
pictures at the end you only get to see

2456
01:56:48,760 --> 01:56:46,550
the final result the one result right

2457
01:56:51,550 --> 01:56:48,770
and also remote viewing involves

2458
01:56:53,740 --> 01:56:51,560
sketching so you would sketch you try to

2459
01:56:55,960 --> 01:56:53,750
get your internal impressions and sketch

2460
01:56:58,540 --> 01:56:55,970
it or miss sometimes use words on a

2461
01:57:01,270 --> 01:56:58,550
piece of paper that piece of paper then

2462
01:57:03,610 --> 01:57:01,280
is given to a judge now the judge might

2463
01:57:06,700 --> 01:57:03,620
see the actual target and a couple of

2464
01:57:08,560 --> 01:57:06,710
other targets but the remote viewer

2465
01:57:10,690 --> 01:57:08,570
typically doesn't because you don't want

2466
01:57:12,670 --> 01:57:10,700
to confuse the remote viewer with in

2467
01:57:14,890 --> 01:57:12,680
their future seeing multiple targets

2468
01:57:17,770 --> 01:57:14,900
they should only see the one target that

2469
01:57:20,320 --> 01:57:17,780
is the real one are you born and not you

2470
01:57:22,990 --> 01:57:20,330
specifically Dean but is one born a

2471
01:57:28,060 --> 01:57:23,000
remote viewer or is this something that

2472
01:57:30,750 --> 01:57:28,070
actually could be taught there is

2473
01:57:33,370 --> 01:57:30,760
definitely a talent associated with this

2474
01:57:36,400 --> 01:57:33,380
the talent seems to run in families so

2475
01:57:38,410 --> 01:57:36,410
there's probably a genetic basis but

2476
01:57:39,790 --> 01:57:38,420
everybody can learn to some degree in

2477
01:57:42,160 --> 01:57:39,800
the same sense that everybody can learn

2478
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how to play tennis to some degree but

2479
01:57:47,530 --> 01:57:43,910
not everybody is going to become a

2480
01:57:52,390 --> 01:57:47,540
professional tennis player i remote

2481
01:57:54,100 --> 01:57:52,400
viewing out of all of these talents

2482
01:57:56,140 --> 01:57:54,110
remote viewing is the one thing

2483
01:57:58,120 --> 01:57:56,150
probably freaks me out the most and I

2484
01:58:01,300 --> 01:57:58,130
can't think of another word to use when

2485
01:58:03,760 --> 01:58:01,310
I see it done in real time and I see the

2486
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results and I see the targets it's

2487
01:58:10,450 --> 01:58:08,780
pretty astounding to me I that is it's

2488
01:58:12,580 --> 01:58:10,460
something that I can't express or put

2489
01:58:13,000 --> 01:58:12,590
into words it really really freaks me

2490
01:58:18,640 --> 01:58:13,010
out

2491
01:58:21,160 --> 01:58:18,650
the reasons why this topic is considered

2492
01:58:22,689 --> 01:58:21,170
to be so controversial it's it's

2493
01:58:24,669 --> 01:58:22,699
partially the freak out because it

2494
01:58:27,760 --> 01:58:24,679
doesn't seem like we're struggling to

2495
01:58:30,459 --> 01:58:27,770
figure out how can this be it's also

2496
01:58:33,340 --> 01:58:30,469
that it we don't see high level talent

2497
01:58:36,040 --> 01:58:33,350
of this type very often but by the same

2498
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token there are people who run ultra

2499
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marathons like they can run 24 hours in

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a row and at a rate of like 5 miles per

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hour

2502
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that's crazy that freaks me out I mean

2503
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occasionally on TV you watch one of

2504
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these CrossFit training things yes where

2505
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there's a competition well those people

2506
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are not normal right yes certainly the

2507
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exception and well let's uh let's take a

2508
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break right here we've got so much more

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to discuss and we're quickly running out

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of time our guest tonight is Dean Radin

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we're discussing his new book real magic

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and let's just do what we're doing and

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welcome back fade to black I'm Niels

2623
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Jimmy church radio calm lots of great

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insights going on here in Twitter and

2628
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Dean before we move on I've got a couple

2629
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of questions this is from Steven and he

2630
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says I'd love to hear Dean Radin steak

2631
02:05:01,509 --> 02:04:57,840
on the meta-analysis study released in

2632
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May on Paris psychological phenomenon

2633
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mm-hmm so this might refer to an article

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in a journal called the American

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psychologist American psychologist is

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the flagship journal of the American

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Psychological Association which is a

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hundred and twenty thousand academic

2639
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psychologists and clinical psychologists

2640
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so it's it's a big deal in the

2641
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psychological world this was an article

2642
02:05:32,330 --> 02:05:29,969
by a colleague named Etzel giardiniera

2643
02:05:35,000 --> 02:05:32,340
who's a professor at the university in

2644
02:05:40,310 --> 02:05:35,010
sweden and it's a lead article talking

2645
02:05:42,949 --> 02:05:40,320
about ten classes of psychic experiments

2646
02:05:45,859 --> 02:05:42,959
like we discussed when about telepathy

2647
02:05:47,569 --> 02:05:45,869
and there's one about psychokinesis but

2648
02:05:51,560 --> 02:05:47,579
there's eight other classes of

2649
02:05:55,609 --> 02:05:51,570
experiments and basically he concludes

2650
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that the overall evidence for for the

2651
02:06:01,640 --> 02:05:58,019
existence of these phenomena is is

2652
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overwhelming positive so this is

2653
02:06:06,739 --> 02:06:04,559
important partially because he it the

2654
02:06:10,219 --> 02:06:06,749
article appeared it appeared in a major

2655
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psychology journal and also that it

2656
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appeared in a positive way because what

2657
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what often happens in journals is that

2658
02:06:20,989 --> 02:06:18,659
it's okay for an academic to publish an

2659
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article which shows no effect because

2660
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that matches the mainstream idea about

2661
02:06:27,890 --> 02:06:26,189
what's what's going on here so it's

2662
02:06:30,469 --> 02:06:27,900
fairly easy to publish a negative

2663
02:06:32,989 --> 02:06:30,479
article it's been very very difficult to

2664
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publish a positive article and this

2665
02:06:39,040 --> 02:06:36,050
disorder was very positive so

2666
02:06:40,750 --> 02:06:39,050
it's one of a number of signs that I

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02:06:43,840 --> 02:06:40,760
think is showing that there's a

2668
02:06:46,300 --> 02:06:43,850
loosening of the prejudices in the past

2669
02:06:48,040 --> 02:06:46,310
within the scientific community that is

2670
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at least allowing people to now discuss

2671
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these ideas without immediately

2672
02:06:54,610 --> 02:06:52,340
dismissing them and that's that's a big

2673
02:06:55,890 --> 02:06:54,620
change and what was the analysis that

2674
02:06:59,920 --> 02:06:55,900
was used

2675
02:07:01,840 --> 02:06:59,930
well meta-analysis is a statistical

2676
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technique to integrate the results of

2677
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many repeated experiments because for

2678
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example if we did one telepathy

2679
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experiment with one session and the

2680
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person got it right

2681
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you're not going to conclude that

2682
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telepathy exists because by chance they

2683
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could have gotten it right one in four

2684
02:07:19,840 --> 02:07:17,900
times so you do the experiment and then

2685
02:07:21,280 --> 02:07:19,850
you might get a good result and you're

2686
02:07:23,200 --> 02:07:21,290
not sure you believe it so you do it

2687
02:07:25,210 --> 02:07:23,210
again and you do it again and you keep

2688
02:07:28,270 --> 02:07:25,220
doing it again as I said we it's been

2689
02:07:31,330 --> 02:07:28,280
done over 4,000 times and all of that is

2690
02:07:34,320 --> 02:07:31,340
is gaining confidence about the overall

2691
02:07:37,180 --> 02:07:34,330
result so the meta-analysis is an

2692
02:07:39,700 --> 02:07:37,190
analysis of analyses that's what the

2693
02:07:41,260 --> 02:07:39,710
meta part means right and it's a way of

2694
02:07:43,270 --> 02:07:41,270
assessing whether or not the is this

2695
02:07:45,910 --> 02:07:43,280
really a repeatable effect that

2696
02:07:48,040 --> 02:07:45,920
independent people can get or not well

2697
02:07:51,280 --> 02:07:48,050
that this method that's been developed

2698
02:07:53,770 --> 02:07:51,290
now for a couple of decades has become

2699
02:07:56,680 --> 02:07:53,780
better and better at being able to

2700
02:07:59,920 --> 02:07:56,690
analyze whether the effect is repeatable

2701
02:08:02,320 --> 02:07:59,930
which is the currency in science and so

2702
02:08:04,960 --> 02:08:02,330
there's ten classes of psychic

2703
02:08:10,120 --> 02:08:04,970
experiments that are now repeatable why

2704
02:08:14,070 --> 02:08:10,130
is it you know this type of testing and

2705
02:08:17,350 --> 02:08:14,080
study on the cover of Time magazine

2706
02:08:18,730 --> 02:08:17,360
right yeah I mean this is this is a

2707
02:08:21,040 --> 02:08:18,740
breakthrough and this is something that

2708
02:08:23,140 --> 02:08:21,050
we've all that the entire planets been

2709
02:08:25,300 --> 02:08:23,150
fascinated with for thousands of years

2710
02:08:27,970 --> 02:08:25,310
and we have a breakthrough study like

2711
02:08:31,090 --> 02:08:27,980
this I would think that Wolf Blitzer

2712
02:08:33,250 --> 02:08:31,100
would be talking about it yeah you think

2713
02:08:35,860 --> 02:08:33,260
so wouldn't you but as you already

2714
02:08:39,010 --> 02:08:35,870
mentioned that the notion that remote

2715
02:08:40,870 --> 02:08:39,020
viewing is real freaks you out and it

2716
02:08:44,530 --> 02:08:40,880
freaks a lot of people out right right

2717
02:08:46,270 --> 02:08:44,540
because we each of us build up a common

2718
02:08:46,780 --> 02:08:46,280
sense notion of how we think the world

2719
02:08:49,180 --> 02:08:46,790
works

2720
02:08:49,630 --> 02:08:49,190
and these phenomena strongly challenge

2721
02:08:52,780 --> 02:08:49,640
that

2722
02:08:54,370 --> 02:08:52,790
but it doesn't challenging it too much

2723
02:08:56,340 --> 02:08:54,380
more than if you really understood

2724
02:08:58,690 --> 02:08:56,350
what's going on in quantum mechanics

2725
02:09:00,880 --> 02:08:58,700
because these phenomena are actually

2726
02:09:02,940 --> 02:09:00,890
quite compatible with the with the

2727
02:09:05,560 --> 02:09:02,950
reality suggested by quantum mechanics

2728
02:09:07,540 --> 02:09:05,570
but quantum mechanics is not part of

2729
02:09:09,130 --> 02:09:07,550
everyday experience you know we can't

2730
02:09:12,580 --> 02:09:09,140
see at the subatomic level

2731
02:09:14,560 --> 02:09:12,590
but then experiments we can and we see

2732
02:09:16,530 --> 02:09:14,570
all kinds of very weird stuff going on

2733
02:09:19,900 --> 02:09:16,540
that is not common sense at all so

2734
02:09:22,060 --> 02:09:19,910
anytime something challenges common

2735
02:09:23,770 --> 02:09:22,070
sense it's not surprising that people

2736
02:09:26,560 --> 02:09:23,780
will say that's ridiculous they can't

2737
02:09:28,690 --> 02:09:26,570
possibly be even though it is we're

2738
02:09:31,510 --> 02:09:28,700
gonna get to quantum mechanics here in

2739
02:09:34,680 --> 02:09:31,520
just a second but Cassandra this is

2740
02:09:39,880 --> 02:09:34,690
great she says any thoughts on how

2741
02:09:42,250 --> 02:09:39,890
dowsing divining rods work yeah I was

2742
02:09:43,510 --> 02:09:42,260
just discussing that today with somebody

2743
02:09:45,610 --> 02:09:43,520
who I know was a very good to Hauser

2744
02:09:47,860 --> 02:09:45,620
okay you know what I'm gonna jump in and

2745
02:09:49,590 --> 02:09:47,870
tell you that my wife and I were talking

2746
02:09:53,890 --> 02:09:49,600
about this last night

2747
02:09:54,370 --> 02:09:53,900
seriously okay it's a topic whose time

2748
02:09:58,990 --> 02:09:54,380
has come

2749
02:10:01,360 --> 02:09:59,000
yes the current theory is that some of

2750
02:10:03,520 --> 02:10:01,370
it might be psychic especially what's

2751
02:10:04,570 --> 02:10:03,530
called map dowsing right if you're

2752
02:10:07,330 --> 02:10:04,580
trying to find a missing object

2753
02:10:09,460 --> 02:10:07,340
somewhere and you only have a map and

2754
02:10:11,800 --> 02:10:09,470
you're dowsing over the map and you're

2755
02:10:13,750 --> 02:10:11,810
nowhere near the actual site well that's

2756
02:10:16,630 --> 02:10:13,760
got to be psychic that's a kind of

2757
02:10:19,150 --> 02:10:16,640
remote viewing hmm if you're in a field

2758
02:10:20,860 --> 02:10:19,160
and you're dowsing for water or minerals

2759
02:10:23,560 --> 02:10:20,870
or something then there's a lot of other

2760
02:10:25,930 --> 02:10:23,570
possibilities that we know that humans

2761
02:10:26,920 --> 02:10:25,940
are sensitive to magnetic fields we know

2762
02:10:28,930 --> 02:10:26,930
that the Earth's magnetic field

2763
02:10:31,030 --> 02:10:28,940
saturates everything on the planet and

2764
02:10:33,850 --> 02:10:31,040
so maybe some people are just naturally

2765
02:10:36,310 --> 02:10:33,860
very sensitive to distortions in the

2766
02:10:39,720 --> 02:10:36,320
lines of force and so they can tell that

2767
02:10:41,800 --> 02:10:39,730
there's like a vein of water or or

2768
02:10:44,080 --> 02:10:41,810
underneath where they are because they

2769
02:10:47,860 --> 02:10:44,090
feel a shift in the magnetic lines of

2770
02:10:50,860 --> 02:10:47,870
force so that's possible and and because

2771
02:10:54,670 --> 02:10:50,870
there are many possible explanations we

2772
02:10:56,680 --> 02:10:54,680
we can't say in any given case what what

2773
02:10:59,470 --> 02:10:56,690
the right answer is

2774
02:11:01,960 --> 02:10:59,480
so between map dowsing and field dowsing

2775
02:11:03,110 --> 02:11:01,970
there probably are sets of possible

2776
02:11:06,410 --> 02:11:03,120
explanations

2777
02:11:07,760 --> 02:11:06,420
and some people are exceptionally good

2778
02:11:09,250 --> 02:11:07,770
dowsers just like there's some people

2779
02:11:14,630 --> 02:11:09,260
are exceptionally good remote viewers

2780
02:11:16,790 --> 02:11:14,640
with the dowsing rods usually are made

2781
02:11:20,000 --> 02:11:16,800
of metal at least the ones that I have

2782
02:11:21,320 --> 02:11:20,010
seen and if you're walking over out in

2783
02:11:23,860 --> 02:11:21,330
the field like you said you're looking

2784
02:11:27,080 --> 02:11:23,870
for water or minerals well there's very

2785
02:11:29,530 --> 02:11:27,090
possibility a very real possibility of

2786
02:11:32,450 --> 02:11:29,540
something electromagnetic going on

2787
02:11:36,080 --> 02:11:32,460
something happening there but if it was

2788
02:11:39,440 --> 02:11:36,090
plastic dowsing rods right I don't know

2789
02:11:41,330 --> 02:11:39,450
if people but then I'm going somewhere

2790
02:11:44,030 --> 02:11:41,340
with this I think it's a it's a

2791
02:11:45,620 --> 02:11:44,040
fascinating thing but I've also kind of

2792
02:11:48,020 --> 02:11:45,630
noticed people moving their wrist a

2793
02:11:50,000 --> 02:11:48,030
little bit right sure

2794
02:11:53,560 --> 02:11:50,010
but they remember that the traditional

2795
02:11:56,180 --> 02:11:53,570
dowsing rod is made out of a willow tree

2796
02:11:57,170 --> 02:11:56,190
it's made out of wood made out of wood

2797
02:12:00,290 --> 02:11:57,180
yeah

2798
02:12:02,510 --> 02:12:00,300
so it still could be sensitive to

2799
02:12:04,190 --> 02:12:02,520
electromagnetic changes but I don't

2800
02:12:06,770 --> 02:12:04,200
think that the rod itself has anything

2801
02:12:08,690 --> 02:12:06,780
to do with it it's really about a human

2802
02:12:11,030 --> 02:12:08,700
sensitivity to something which then is

2803
02:12:13,880 --> 02:12:11,040
translated probably unconsciously

2804
02:12:17,150 --> 02:12:13,890
through my tiny little motor movements

2805
02:12:20,030 --> 02:12:17,160
that the person is making now you just

2806
02:12:22,760 --> 02:12:20,040
sparked up quantum mechanics and I do

2807
02:12:26,870 --> 02:12:22,770
want to talk about magic and and and

2808
02:12:30,280 --> 02:12:26,880
science because you know 20 years ago 30

2809
02:12:35,080 --> 02:12:30,290
years ago quantum computers qubits

2810
02:12:38,240 --> 02:12:35,090
parallel worlds the things affecting

2811
02:12:41,030 --> 02:12:38,250
something that you can't even see but

2812
02:12:45,860 --> 02:12:41,040
yet we are now building chips and using

2813
02:12:48,350 --> 02:12:45,870
it for hardware for computing that is

2814
02:12:50,600 --> 02:12:48,360
magic 20 years ago 30 years ago

2815
02:12:53,540 --> 02:12:50,610
forget about science fiction you could

2816
02:12:56,540 --> 02:12:53,550
definitely define that they wouldn't

2817
02:12:58,760 --> 02:12:56,550
even accept that idea but here it is

2818
02:13:02,270 --> 02:12:58,770
today quantum computers quantum

2819
02:13:05,210 --> 02:13:02,280
mechanics quantum theory is is is as

2820
02:13:07,480 --> 02:13:05,220
real as anything and I would say that

2821
02:13:10,210 --> 02:13:07,490
that would have been a magic

2822
02:13:13,790 --> 02:13:10,220
classification and any time in the past

2823
02:13:15,500 --> 02:13:13,800
but where else would magic apply into

2824
02:13:16,360 --> 02:13:15,510
science today how would it help each

2825
02:13:19,750 --> 02:13:16,370
other

2826
02:13:22,450 --> 02:13:19,760
so one of the things in my book real

2827
02:13:25,630 --> 02:13:22,460
magic where I get into quantum mechanics

2828
02:13:27,850 --> 02:13:25,640
and actually beyond a little bit is that

2829
02:13:29,670 --> 02:13:27,860
at the moment you get to the idea where

2830
02:13:32,170 --> 02:13:29,680
you can accept that the data says that

2831
02:13:35,620 --> 02:13:32,180
psychic phenomena are basically like

2832
02:13:37,690 --> 02:13:35,630
magical practice they are real well then

2833
02:13:39,610 --> 02:13:37,700
how does it work and and that's been a

2834
02:13:42,160 --> 02:13:39,620
staking point for a long time we don't

2835
02:13:46,060 --> 02:13:42,170
know exactly how it works but what I'm

2836
02:13:48,430 --> 02:13:46,070
proposing then in in this book is that

2837
02:13:49,780 --> 02:13:48,440
if it is true that the esoteric

2838
02:13:51,820 --> 02:13:49,790
traditions are right and somehow

2839
02:13:54,460 --> 02:13:51,830
consciousness is way more fundamental

2840
02:13:56,610 --> 02:13:54,470
than we currently think it is maybe even

2841
02:13:58,870 --> 02:13:56,620
more fundamental in the physical world

2842
02:14:01,390 --> 02:13:58,880
then you start to see a relationship

2843
02:14:03,790 --> 02:14:01,400
between what quantum mechanics is

2844
02:14:08,350 --> 02:14:03,800
telling us about reality and what magic

2845
02:14:10,210 --> 02:14:08,360
tells us so the only reason why psychic

2846
02:14:13,840 --> 02:14:10,220
phenomena in particular are considered

2847
02:14:16,900 --> 02:14:13,850
strange is because they they seem to

2848
02:14:18,250 --> 02:14:16,910
transcend space and time right you're

2849
02:14:20,110 --> 02:14:18,260
you're mentally communicate with

2850
02:14:21,700 --> 02:14:20,120
somebody at a distance well how did it

2851
02:14:23,890 --> 02:14:21,710
get there we know it's not

2852
02:14:25,720 --> 02:14:23,900
electromagnetic because lots of tests

2853
02:14:28,300 --> 02:14:25,730
have been done that exclude

2854
02:14:29,830 --> 02:14:28,310
electromagnetism as the carrier of how

2855
02:14:32,140 --> 02:14:29,840
you get information from one person to

2856
02:14:34,240 --> 02:14:32,150
the next and then when you go to remote

2857
02:14:36,520 --> 02:14:34,250
viewing it's even worse because how can

2858
02:14:38,740 --> 02:14:36,530
you describe a scene which is a couple

2859
02:14:40,180 --> 02:14:38,750
of kilometers away or on the other side

2860
02:14:41,920 --> 02:14:40,190
of the planet on the other side of the

2861
02:14:44,010 --> 02:14:41,930
planet all right yeah or worse on the

2862
02:14:47,200 --> 02:14:44,020
other side of the planet next Tuesday

2863
02:14:49,480 --> 02:14:47,210
with precognition or a retro cognition

2864
02:14:51,820 --> 02:14:49,490
right it's very difficult to figure out

2865
02:14:53,980 --> 02:14:51,830
how that can be but the reason why it

2866
02:14:56,710 --> 02:14:53,990
seems strange is because the phenomena

2867
02:15:00,220 --> 02:14:56,720
transcend the ordinary boundaries of

2868
02:15:01,900 --> 02:15:00,230
space and time but exactly the same

2869
02:15:04,060 --> 02:15:01,910
thing can be said of quantum mechanics

2870
02:15:07,570 --> 02:15:04,070
that's when quantum mechanics are called

2871
02:15:11,020 --> 02:15:07,580
weird the weirdness is that the effects

2872
02:15:13,630 --> 02:15:11,030
by quantum entanglement do not appear to

2873
02:15:17,170 --> 02:15:13,640
take place in space-time they're taking

2874
02:15:19,930 --> 02:15:17,180
place outside of space-time so this

2875
02:15:21,640 --> 02:15:19,940
opens the possibility that what we see

2876
02:15:24,400 --> 02:15:21,650
in quantum mechanics is something that

2877
02:15:29,080 --> 02:15:24,410
is transcending the ordinary world of

2878
02:15:30,260 --> 02:15:29,090
space and time that that phenomenon that

2879
02:15:33,080 --> 02:15:30,270
strangeness is

2880
02:15:33,770 --> 02:15:33,090
same strangeness as we see in psychic

2881
02:15:36,020 --> 02:15:33,780
phenomena

2882
02:15:38,570 --> 02:15:36,030
so some physicists would say well that's

2883
02:15:40,280 --> 02:15:38,580
that's nonsense you're trying to compare

2884
02:15:43,220 --> 02:15:40,290
two things which are not associated with

2885
02:15:44,030 --> 02:15:43,230
each other at all other physicists are

2886
02:15:46,820 --> 02:15:44,040
not so sure

2887
02:15:49,880 --> 02:15:46,830
in fact there's this book that was

2888
02:15:53,000 --> 02:15:49,890
written by two physicists professors

2889
02:15:56,300 --> 02:15:53,010
called quantum enigma which is a very

2890
02:15:58,430 --> 02:15:56,310
good way of seeing from a physicists

2891
02:16:00,230 --> 02:15:58,440
perspective the why consciousness is

2892
02:16:04,070 --> 02:16:00,240
considered to be so strange and what it

2893
02:16:05,750 --> 02:16:04,080
has to do with with physics I asked them

2894
02:16:07,190 --> 02:16:05,760
when while they're writing the book what

2895
02:16:10,070 --> 02:16:07,200
did they think about parapsychology

2896
02:16:12,170 --> 02:16:10,080
before they started they said no II

2897
02:16:15,260 --> 02:16:12,180
don't think we buy these phenomena at

2898
02:16:17,360 --> 02:16:15,270
all it's just too bizarre after they

2899
02:16:18,650 --> 02:16:17,370
finished the book and I asked him the

2900
02:16:21,140 --> 02:16:18,660
same question well now what do you think

2901
02:16:23,270 --> 02:16:21,150
about it they said well now it looks a

2902
02:16:25,550 --> 02:16:23,280
lot more plausible they're writing a

2903
02:16:28,370 --> 02:16:25,560
book called quantum enigma that's

2904
02:16:30,650 --> 02:16:28,380
exactly what they're writing about well

2905
02:16:33,799 --> 02:16:30,660
what is it that that they proved to

2906
02:16:37,299 --> 02:16:33,809
themselves where they had that moment

2907
02:16:39,560 --> 02:16:37,309
that aha moment it was finding that

2908
02:16:41,870 --> 02:16:39,570
there's something peculiar about

2909
02:16:44,750 --> 02:16:41,880
consciousness which is deeply related to

2910
02:16:46,100 --> 02:16:44,760
quantum mechanics and of course they're

2911
02:16:47,990 --> 02:16:46,110
not the only ones who have seen this

2912
02:16:50,240 --> 02:16:48,000
connection they've most of the founders

2913
02:16:52,850 --> 02:16:50,250
of quantum mechanics were saying right

2914
02:16:55,629 --> 02:16:52,860
off right from the very beginning that

2915
02:16:58,370 --> 02:16:55,639
something about consciousness awareness

2916
02:17:02,299 --> 02:16:58,380
seems to be involved in the behavior of

2917
02:17:04,459 --> 02:17:02,309
quantum systems so that that's where the

2918
02:17:06,110 --> 02:17:04,469
connection is we we some people will

2919
02:17:08,150 --> 02:17:06,120
immediately jump and say well quantum

2920
02:17:10,549 --> 02:17:08,160
mechanics explains psychic phenomena and

2921
02:17:14,120 --> 02:17:10,559
it doesn't do that all it does is say

2922
02:17:16,640 --> 02:17:14,130
that the reality that is suggested by

2923
02:17:18,230 --> 02:17:16,650
quantum mechanics the strange place

2924
02:17:21,049 --> 02:17:18,240
where space and time or somehow

2925
02:17:23,270 --> 02:17:21,059
transcended that that reality is very

2926
02:17:25,820 --> 02:17:23,280
compatible with the experiences that

2927
02:17:27,589 --> 02:17:25,830
people talk about it doesn't mean it's

2928
02:17:30,040 --> 02:17:27,599
it's an explanation you have but it's

2929
02:17:33,620 --> 02:17:30,050
showing at least that what used to be

2930
02:17:36,200 --> 02:17:33,630
said that psychic phenomena violate what

2931
02:17:38,270 --> 02:17:36,210
we know about physics that is no longer

2932
02:17:39,370 --> 02:17:38,280
true it does not violate what we know

2933
02:17:41,770 --> 02:17:39,380
about physics

2934
02:17:48,950 --> 02:17:41,780
the

2935
02:17:54,230 --> 02:17:48,960
from Scott I was gonna go here anyway

2936
02:17:56,120 --> 02:17:54,240
then is magic real right is magic real

2937
02:17:59,780 --> 02:17:56,130
or is there something else here that

2938
02:18:02,560 --> 02:17:59,790
we're not comprehending in reality well

2939
02:18:05,629 --> 02:18:02,570
I would put it as divination real yes is

2940
02:18:09,980 --> 02:18:05,639
power of will or manifestation real yes

2941
02:18:13,070 --> 02:18:09,990
is theour ji real yes and all of that is

2942
02:18:15,129 --> 02:18:13,080
based not on the esoteric lore but on

2943
02:18:17,750 --> 02:18:15,139
controlled experiments in the laboratory

2944
02:18:20,089 --> 02:18:17,760
so as I mentioned in this this article

2945
02:18:21,560 --> 02:18:20,099
in American psychologist is looking at

2946
02:18:24,469 --> 02:18:21,570
the ten classes of repeatable

2947
02:18:26,480 --> 02:18:24,479
experiments that are positive and those

2948
02:18:29,179 --> 02:18:26,490
are all talking about these kinds of

2949
02:18:32,299 --> 02:18:29,189
magical practices so yeah magic is real

2950
02:18:33,830 --> 02:18:32,309
by saying that but what will happen in

2951
02:18:35,780 --> 02:18:33,840
many people's minds is they will

2952
02:18:39,080 --> 02:18:35,790
conflate it suddenly into Harry Potter

2953
02:18:41,450 --> 02:18:39,090
is real and no Harry Potter is not real

2954
02:18:43,100 --> 02:18:41,460
and what you see in movies is not real

2955
02:18:46,070 --> 02:18:43,110
those are of course fictional

2956
02:18:50,120 --> 02:18:46,080
elaborations of what's over the real

2957
02:18:52,459 --> 02:18:50,130
stuff but the the basic phenomena are

2958
02:18:55,850 --> 02:18:52,469
real the other thing I want to add to

2959
02:18:57,679 --> 02:18:55,860
that though is that this even some of my

2960
02:18:59,150 --> 02:18:57,689
colleagues in parapsychology were kind

2961
02:19:02,660 --> 02:18:59,160
of surprised that I wrote a book about

2962
02:19:05,030 --> 02:19:02,670
magic because it doesn't seem it seems

2963
02:19:06,879 --> 02:19:05,040
like it's unseemly for a scientist to

2964
02:19:09,740 --> 02:19:06,889
talk about magic is it though it's real

2965
02:19:11,650 --> 02:19:09,750
but when I finished the book I realized

2966
02:19:15,020 --> 02:19:11,660
that this actually is a book about

2967
02:19:18,500 --> 02:19:15,030
science and philosophy and evidence and

2968
02:19:20,419 --> 02:19:18,510
so on so rather than asking my psychic

2969
02:19:23,450 --> 02:19:20,429
friends to see if they would endorse the

2970
02:19:26,179 --> 02:19:23,460
book I only went to scientists and so

2971
02:19:28,520 --> 02:19:26,189
this book real magic has been endorsed

2972
02:19:31,580 --> 02:19:28,530
by two Nobel laureates by one in

2973
02:19:33,259 --> 02:19:31,590
chemistry and one in physics by a former

2974
02:19:36,770 --> 02:19:33,269
program director at the National Science

2975
02:19:39,259 --> 02:19:36,780
Foundation by the president of the

2976
02:19:41,209 --> 02:19:39,269
American Statistical Association by

2977
02:19:42,350 --> 02:19:41,219
major prize winners from the National

2978
02:19:44,750 --> 02:19:42,360
Institutes of Health and the National

2979
02:19:47,240 --> 02:19:44,760
Academy of Sciences and many other

2980
02:19:51,469 --> 02:19:47,250
mainstream university professors and

2981
02:19:53,810 --> 02:19:51,479
science and scholarship so sometimes

2982
02:19:55,500 --> 02:19:53,820
think that well no mainstream scientists

2983
02:19:59,460 --> 02:19:55,510
would ever want to endorse

2984
02:20:01,860 --> 02:19:59,470
book about magic but actually they do so

2985
02:20:04,290 --> 02:20:01,870
the other piece of this is a couple of

2986
02:20:07,349 --> 02:20:04,300
months ago I was in in Germany giving a

2987
02:20:09,030 --> 02:20:07,359
talk for the company Merck which is best

2988
02:20:11,700 --> 02:20:09,040
known for pharmaceuticals but they also

2989
02:20:14,070 --> 02:20:11,710
make materials and a few other things so

2990
02:20:17,730 --> 02:20:14,080
this is a big international science

2991
02:20:20,040 --> 02:20:17,740
conference with 35 speakers five of them

2992
02:20:23,700 --> 02:20:20,050
were Nobel laureates and also craig

2993
02:20:27,150 --> 02:20:23,710
Venter who's the the first person to the

2994
02:20:29,670 --> 02:20:27,160
sequence the human genome a special

2995
02:20:32,460 --> 02:20:29,680
address by the CEO of Microsoft lots of

2996
02:20:35,309 --> 02:20:32,470
very prominent people and I also was

2997
02:20:40,320 --> 02:20:35,319
invited to be one of the speakers so in

2998
02:20:45,570 --> 02:20:40,330
some some slice of mainstream science

2999
02:20:48,300 --> 02:20:45,580
now there is a significant opening to do

3000
02:20:50,760 --> 02:20:48,310
magic I was talking about magic at this

3001
02:20:55,380 --> 02:20:50,770
science conference and the reason is

3002
02:20:57,740 --> 02:20:55,390
that that the evidence now the nature of

3003
02:21:00,809 --> 02:20:57,750
the scientific evidence is so strong

3004
02:21:03,480 --> 02:21:00,819
that unless somebody simply doesn't want

3005
02:21:05,340 --> 02:21:03,490
to believe it which people can believe

3006
02:21:06,840 --> 02:21:05,350
whatever they want right but if your

3007
02:21:09,690 --> 02:21:06,850
scientists and you look at the data and

3008
02:21:11,639 --> 02:21:09,700
you look at the results that we get it's

3009
02:21:14,160 --> 02:21:11,649
very difficult at this point to deny

3010
02:21:16,050 --> 02:21:14,170
that these phenomena exist and so the

3011
02:21:18,840 --> 02:21:16,060
connection then back to magic is exactly

3012
02:21:20,580 --> 02:21:18,850
as they said the practice and magic is

3013
02:21:22,650 --> 02:21:20,590
called divination practice in the

3014
02:21:23,400 --> 02:21:22,660
laboratory is called precognition it's

3015
02:21:26,790 --> 02:21:23,410
the same thing

3016
02:21:29,190 --> 02:21:26,800
you know I was talking with Julia about

3017
02:21:33,570 --> 02:21:29,200
this last night Moss bridge in that

3018
02:21:35,940 --> 02:21:33,580
today science is as far as they have

3019
02:21:38,610 --> 02:21:35,950
come is finding out more and more that

3020
02:21:41,040 --> 02:21:38,620
they don't understand anything that's

3021
02:21:43,860 --> 02:21:41,050
really the truth and it's the bottom

3022
02:21:45,809 --> 02:21:43,870
line I wanted to ask you this before we

3023
02:21:50,010 --> 02:21:45,819
have to part ways and say goodnight if

3024
02:21:54,000 --> 02:21:50,020
you were in court right you're in magic

3025
02:21:57,000 --> 02:21:54,010
court and you've got James Randi as the

3026
02:22:01,769 --> 02:21:57,010
judge right he got by the beds and

3027
02:22:06,030 --> 02:22:01,779
you've got to present the one piece of

3028
02:22:08,680 --> 02:22:06,040
evidence to show that that magic and

3029
02:22:11,560 --> 02:22:08,690
science are not only

3030
02:22:14,410 --> 02:22:11,570
in the same but this is proving that

3031
02:22:16,540 --> 02:22:14,420
magic is real and you need to shut Randy

3032
02:22:18,810 --> 02:22:16,550
up what are you going to slide across

3033
02:22:22,290 --> 02:22:18,820
the evidence table what's that one thing

3034
02:22:25,570 --> 02:22:22,300
well first I would take about a semester

3035
02:22:27,930 --> 02:22:25,580
to Train Randy how to understand

3036
02:22:30,310 --> 02:22:27,940
statistics and experimental design

3037
02:22:32,860 --> 02:22:30,320
because if the only thing that Randy

3038
02:22:35,320 --> 02:22:32,870
would accept was somebody levitating in

3039
02:22:38,020 --> 02:22:35,330
front of him right we're not there we

3040
02:22:41,710 --> 02:22:38,030
can't do that so you you have to

3041
02:22:43,511 --> 02:22:41,720
understand how to evaluate evidence if

3042
02:22:45,341 --> 02:22:43,521
we're going to demonstrate an experiment

3043
02:22:46,780 --> 02:22:45,351
I would probably do one on presentiments

3044
02:22:49,740 --> 02:22:46,790
which you may have talked about with

3045
02:22:52,500 --> 02:22:49,750
Julia so this is an unconscious

3046
02:22:54,700 --> 02:22:52,510
physiological form of precognition

3047
02:22:57,100 --> 02:22:54,710
there's now been something like four

3048
02:22:59,261 --> 02:22:57,110
dozen repeated experiments and it's a

3049
02:23:02,860 --> 02:22:59,271
very real effect it's not difficult to

3050
02:23:05,261 --> 02:23:02,870
do and what it shows is that the you

3051
02:23:07,900 --> 02:23:05,271
unconsciously as reflected by how your

3052
02:23:09,700 --> 02:23:07,910
body is changing your nervous system we

3053
02:23:11,470 --> 02:23:09,710
unconsciously can anticipate somewhere

3054
02:23:14,230 --> 02:23:11,480
between three and ten seconds before

3055
02:23:15,761 --> 02:23:14,240
something happens and again you can see

3056
02:23:18,220 --> 02:23:15,771
that by measuring things like heart rate

3057
02:23:21,970 --> 02:23:18,230
and pupil dilation and other

3058
02:23:24,220 --> 02:23:21,980
physiological measures right so that's a

3059
02:23:27,580 --> 02:23:24,230
fairly easy experiment to to run the

3060
02:23:29,860 --> 02:23:27,590
results are fairly robust it would still

3061
02:23:32,200 --> 02:23:29,870
take multiple trials by multiple people

3062
02:23:34,060 --> 02:23:32,210
to reach a stage where you're able to

3063
02:23:37,060 --> 02:23:34,070
say well here this is the resulting

3064
02:23:39,370 --> 02:23:37,070
experiment and it worked so something

3065
02:23:41,310 --> 02:23:39,380
like that but again if if you're dealing

3066
02:23:44,500 --> 02:23:41,320
with somebody who will only accept

3067
02:23:47,580 --> 02:23:44,510
levitation in front of them but we can't

3068
02:23:51,870 --> 02:23:47,590
do that not on demand

3069
02:23:55,420 --> 02:23:51,880
what can you leave our audience with

3070
02:23:59,190 --> 02:23:55,430
something very simple that they could

3071
02:24:01,720 --> 02:23:59,200
practice and start to understand magic

3072
02:24:04,360 --> 02:24:01,730
so one chapter in the book is about

3073
02:24:08,350 --> 02:24:04,370
magical practice and I talked about two

3074
02:24:09,940 --> 02:24:08,360
of the most elementary forms of practice

3075
02:24:13,180 --> 02:24:09,950
one of one of which is called writing

3076
02:24:16,480 --> 02:24:13,190
magic where you simply write down what

3077
02:24:17,110 --> 02:24:16,490
you want and I give instructions and how

3078
02:24:19,810 --> 02:24:17,120
to do that

3079
02:24:21,820 --> 02:24:19,820
and the other one is called sigil magic

3080
02:24:22,240 --> 02:24:21,830
which is very similar except that rather

3081
02:24:24,700 --> 02:24:22,250
than

3082
02:24:27,460 --> 02:24:24,710
writing it you make a little symbol send

3083
02:24:29,440 --> 02:24:27,470
a signal means symbol you make a symbol

3084
02:24:31,180 --> 02:24:29,450
for the thing that you want and then

3085
02:24:35,280 --> 02:24:31,190
there's a way of so-called charging it

3086
02:24:38,230 --> 02:24:35,290
and and intentionally focusing on it and

3087
02:24:40,180 --> 02:24:38,240
I'd since I put it in the book and I one

3088
02:24:42,280 --> 02:24:40,190
of the examples for sigil was that you

3089
02:24:44,830 --> 02:24:42,290
would you make a sigil to find 10

3090
02:24:47,800 --> 02:24:44,840
dollars and then I would want people to

3091
02:24:49,990 --> 02:24:47,810
tell me after work days at work well one

3092
02:24:51,370 --> 02:24:50,000
person found a dollar and the next

3093
02:24:54,610 --> 02:24:51,380
person who mentioned something found

3094
02:24:56,440 --> 02:24:54,620
something like $17,000 mm-hmm and it

3095
02:24:58,990 --> 02:24:56,450
wasn't that she found a pile of cash on

3096
02:25:02,410 --> 02:24:59,000
the floor but she found that she was do

3097
02:25:04,300 --> 02:25:02,420
this big pile of money that she was

3098
02:25:07,030 --> 02:25:04,310
unaware of before but she went through

3099
02:25:10,510 --> 02:25:07,040
the magical process and then came upon

3100
02:25:13,180 --> 02:25:10,520
this big bunch of money that she was due

3101
02:25:16,570 --> 02:25:13,190
to get and so she attributed it to doing

3102
02:25:18,820 --> 02:25:16,580
the the exercise you know now I I almost

3103
02:25:21,490 --> 02:25:18,830
feel like James Randi right now where

3104
02:25:23,200 --> 02:25:21,500
I'm gonna go come on but see the thing

3105
02:25:26,470 --> 02:25:23,210
is is you're a scientist

3106
02:25:29,890 --> 02:25:26,480
Dean and now you're suggesting something

3107
02:25:32,410 --> 02:25:29,900
like this that's pretty powerful stuff

3108
02:25:35,350 --> 02:25:32,420
for for the Audion up the audience is

3109
02:25:38,770 --> 02:25:35,360
open-minded but you're also a scientist

3110
02:25:41,080 --> 02:25:38,780
suggesting sigil magic right well pseudo

3111
02:25:43,990 --> 02:25:41,090
magic it were writing magic are just

3112
02:25:45,490 --> 02:25:44,000
ways of focusing intention we have lots

3113
02:25:49,750 --> 02:25:45,500
and lots of experiments that are all

3114
02:25:52,060 --> 02:25:49,760
about intention so while sigil magic is

3115
02:25:54,280 --> 02:25:52,070
comes out of ancient times and people

3116
02:25:56,440 --> 02:25:54,290
are doing these kinds of tasks all it

3117
02:25:59,470 --> 02:25:56,450
really is is a way to focus one's

3118
02:26:01,720 --> 02:25:59,480
attention that that's what it is so we

3119
02:26:04,630 --> 02:26:01,730
know that that works in a more abstract

3120
02:26:07,030 --> 02:26:04,640
way in the laboratory in the case of a

3121
02:26:09,040 --> 02:26:07,040
lady finding a huge amount of money it

3122
02:26:11,470 --> 02:26:09,050
could be a coincidence that's why we

3123
02:26:13,750 --> 02:26:11,480
don't we can't place a lot of confidence

3124
02:26:16,630 --> 02:26:13,760
on anecdotes but you could read about

3125
02:26:18,730 --> 02:26:16,640
her experience by by going to Amazon and

3126
02:26:20,320 --> 02:26:18,740
looking at the the reviews because she

3127
02:26:22,690 --> 02:26:20,330
actually wrote it in the review of the

3128
02:26:24,310 --> 02:26:22,700
book and I don't I don't know this lady

3129
02:26:26,920 --> 02:26:24,320
and I didn't ask her to write that

3130
02:26:29,290 --> 02:26:26,930
that's just what her experience was what

3131
02:26:32,200 --> 02:26:29,300
a great conversation tonight Dean thank

3132
02:26:35,050 --> 02:26:32,210
you so much for taking the time and I

3133
02:26:35,711 --> 02:26:35,060
gotta get up to noetic I've got to come

3134
02:26:38,980 --> 02:26:35,721
up there

3135
02:26:40,661 --> 02:26:38,990
I've seen the pictures and videos for so

3136
02:26:42,461 --> 02:26:40,671
many years and it just looks like the

3137
02:26:44,860 --> 02:26:42,471
ultimate wonderful place to go and hang

3138
02:26:46,751 --> 02:26:44,870
out well you're welcome anytime thank

3139
02:26:49,780 --> 02:26:46,761
you so much Dean working everybody go

3140
02:26:52,690 --> 02:26:49,790
and get the book right now any place

3141
02:26:55,301 --> 02:26:52,700
online that sells books and any store

3142
02:26:59,051 --> 02:26:55,311
that sells books is that is it at noetic

3143
02:27:01,810 --> 02:26:59,061
dot org no no go go to amazon.com or

3144
02:27:05,041 --> 02:27:01,820
Barnes & Noble it turns out that the

3145
02:27:09,011 --> 02:27:05,051
audiobook version is selling the best

3146
02:27:10,631 --> 02:27:09,021
and the audiobook version was read by

3147
02:27:14,320 --> 02:27:10,641
the voice artist who does the Dan Brown

3148
02:27:16,780 --> 02:27:14,330
books so it was very happy to be able to

3149
02:27:18,220 --> 02:27:16,790
select him to be the reader and it makes

3150
02:27:20,341 --> 02:27:18,230
a big difference because you don't want

3151
02:27:23,831 --> 02:27:20,351
me to read a book for eight hours or me

3152
02:27:25,810 --> 02:27:23,841
thank you so much Dean enjoy the rest of

3153
02:27:29,621 --> 02:27:25,820
your evening thank you so much you're

3154
02:27:32,950 --> 02:27:29,631
welcome Dean Radin okay very simple Dean

3155
02:27:35,890 --> 02:27:32,960
Radin org noetic org and of course you

3156
02:27:37,780 --> 02:27:35,900
can find real magic over at Amazon and

3157
02:27:40,150 --> 02:27:37,790
we have the links up at Jimmy Church

3158
02:27:42,251 --> 02:27:40,160
radio calm all right I'm gonna take a

3159
02:27:44,110 --> 02:27:42,261
quick break right here and I'm gonna

3160
02:27:45,581 --> 02:27:44,120
open up the phone line so let's go we'll

3161
02:27:47,560 --> 02:27:45,591
do a little bit of fate or night a

3162
02:27:49,030 --> 02:27:47,570
little taste of fate or night and I'll

3163
02:27:51,070 --> 02:27:49,040
open up the phone lines to take your

3164
02:27:52,020 --> 02:27:51,080
phone calls next I'll be right back stay

3165
02:28:12,210 --> 02:27:52,030
with me

3166
02:28:14,800 --> 02:28:12,220
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3250
02:32:23,170 --> 02:32:34,580
[Music]

3251
02:32:40,819 --> 02:32:36,979
all right welcome back fade to black our

3252
02:32:43,700 --> 02:32:40,829
last show this week I want to thank Dean

3253
02:32:48,109 --> 02:32:43,710
Radin PhD the Institute of noetic

3254
02:32:50,420 --> 02:32:48,119
Sciences the chief scientist amazing

3255
02:32:54,469 --> 02:32:50,430
amazing conversation tonight and you can

3256
02:32:58,040 --> 02:32:54,479
follow Dean at Dean Radin at our ad I an

3257
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had eaten Raiden on Twitter and go and

3258
02:33:03,530 --> 02:33:00,090
get the book the book real magic is is

3259
02:33:05,840 --> 02:33:03,540
it's just it's an amazing read and when

3260
02:33:08,059 --> 02:33:05,850
you're dealing with everything at a

3261
02:33:13,490 --> 02:33:08,069
scientific level and and going into

3262
02:33:17,809 --> 02:33:13,500
these fringe topics that are fringe to

3263
02:33:21,189 --> 02:33:17,819
society but not to us it's great and I I

3264
02:33:25,160 --> 02:33:21,199
know that that that line is blurring

3265
02:33:27,050 --> 02:33:25,170
between not only parapsychology and

3266
02:33:28,939 --> 02:33:27,060
science but everything when we're

3267
02:33:31,609 --> 02:33:28,949
talking about telepathy and telekinesis

3268
02:33:34,189 --> 02:33:31,619
and ESP and remote viewing all of that

3269
02:33:36,969 --> 02:33:34,199
so thank you Dean an amazing

3270
02:33:39,620 --> 02:33:36,979
conversation now let's do a little mini

3271
02:33:41,030 --> 02:33:39,630
fader night all right

3272
02:33:42,710 --> 02:33:41,040
I'm gonna open up all the phone lines

3273
02:33:44,689 --> 02:33:42,720
everybody stay right there if you're on

3274
02:33:46,460 --> 02:33:44,699
hold but the numbers are three two three

3275
02:33:49,160 --> 02:33:46,470
eight two five five zero four five four

3276
02:33:51,410 --> 02:33:49,170
three two three two seven five nine six

3277
02:33:55,099 --> 02:33:51,420
nine five or eight one eight nine two

3278
02:33:58,010 --> 02:33:55,109
one six nine two nine let's go to nap

3279
02:34:01,340 --> 02:33:58,020
town Indianapolis you're up unfaded

3280
02:34:06,019 --> 02:34:01,350
block who's calling hey Jimmy it's

3281
02:34:06,620 --> 02:34:06,029
Allison how are you whoa whoa hold on a

3282
02:34:10,519 --> 02:34:06,630
minute

3283
02:34:12,439 --> 02:34:10,529
how are ya listen I'm excellent man I

3284
02:34:15,889 --> 02:34:12,449
haven't talked to you in like a month of

3285
02:34:19,130 --> 02:34:15,899
Sundays well that's the last time I was

3286
02:34:21,319 --> 02:34:19,140
on the air I was a very bad girl is that

3287
02:34:27,530 --> 02:34:21,329
right is that rel Lord

3288
02:34:30,349 --> 02:34:27,540
yep yep obviously I I've blocked the

3289
02:34:31,729 --> 02:34:30,359
memory I guess you were bad okay all

3290
02:34:33,500 --> 02:34:31,739
right yeah I was and I'm glad you

3291
02:34:34,910 --> 02:34:33,510
blocked the memory okay there you go

3292
02:34:38,929 --> 02:34:34,920
what's on your mind tonight Allison

3293
02:34:41,120 --> 02:34:38,939
great conversation tonight oh oh that's

3294
02:34:43,880 --> 02:34:41,130
why I'm calling this was just the Pearl

3295
02:34:45,769 --> 02:34:43,890
ative in my opinion and of course

3296
02:34:48,510 --> 02:34:45,779
everybody who reads my blogs knows

3297
02:34:52,679 --> 02:34:48,520
that's all I'm full of is my own opinion

3298
02:34:55,979 --> 02:34:52,689
sure this this issue is the absolute

3299
02:35:04,250 --> 02:34:55,989
crux of everything that we are looking

3300
02:35:09,510 --> 02:35:09,149
skinwalker you name it well how so how

3301
02:35:23,250 --> 02:35:09,520
so

3302
02:35:27,120 --> 02:35:23,260
all of these issues seem to be dependent

3303
02:35:31,800 --> 02:35:27,130
upon how we interact with them

3304
02:35:38,279 --> 02:35:31,810
the quantum effect in other words how we

3305
02:35:41,340 --> 02:35:38,289
are able to you know how what your

3306
02:35:43,679 --> 02:35:41,350
intent is is what your experience will

3307
02:35:48,420 --> 02:35:43,689
be and a lot of people don't understand

3308
02:35:51,660 --> 02:35:48,430
that and there was a great blog post on

3309
02:35:54,149 --> 02:35:51,670
YouTube today that I actually blogged

3310
02:35:58,439 --> 02:35:54,159
about that that took this into account

3311
02:36:00,990 --> 02:35:58,449
but when you take a look at what Dean is

3312
02:36:02,760 --> 02:36:01,000
saying and what he's studying and how

3313
02:36:05,550 --> 02:36:02,770
he's putting it all out there he is

3314
02:36:08,010 --> 02:36:05,560
taking this intersect between quantum

3315
02:36:11,849 --> 02:36:08,020
mechanics and consciousness and showing

3316
02:36:14,609 --> 02:36:11,859
you how what the intersect is we need to

3317
02:36:17,670 --> 02:36:14,619
we've been separated for so many years

3318
02:36:20,849 --> 02:36:17,680
between science and what people would

3319
02:36:23,309 --> 02:36:20,859
call spiritual issues and really they're

3320
02:36:26,969 --> 02:36:23,319
one in the same and that's all I do on

3321
02:36:29,819 --> 02:36:26,979
my blog is yell about this right then I

3322
02:36:33,000 --> 02:36:29,829
get boring after a while but hey you

3323
02:36:34,859 --> 02:36:33,010
know it's very very important and what

3324
02:36:37,559 --> 02:36:34,869
he symbolizes what he's doing the work

3325
02:36:40,290 --> 02:36:37,569
that he's doing is enabling the

3326
02:36:43,279 --> 02:36:40,300
scientific community to find some sort

3327
02:36:47,819 --> 02:36:43,289
of unity with the rest of us he's making

3328
02:36:50,880 --> 02:36:47,829
spiritual issues materialistic science

3329
02:36:55,590 --> 02:36:50,890
in a way that says we can measure this

3330
02:37:00,240 --> 02:36:55,600
we can show you how this works and if

3331
02:37:02,340 --> 02:37:00,250
you follow grant Cameron he and I agree

3332
02:37:02,850 --> 02:37:02,350
with him totally consciousness is the

3333
02:37:04,650 --> 02:37:02,860
issue

3334
02:37:06,030 --> 02:37:04,660
consciousness is everything and I've

3335
02:37:08,881 --> 02:37:06,040
been writing consciousness as the

3336
02:37:10,410 --> 02:37:08,891
unified field for what the last four

3337
02:37:13,230 --> 02:37:10,420
years five years I don't know however

3338
02:37:16,171 --> 02:37:13,240
long I've been writing and it's true and

3339
02:37:21,870 --> 02:37:16,181
I just get so excited when I hear people

3340
02:37:24,421 --> 02:37:21,880
like yeah and and you're right what you

3341
02:37:27,751 --> 02:37:24,431
know last night and I'm talking about

3342
02:37:29,461 --> 02:37:27,761
time travel with Julia all of the guests

3343
02:37:31,320 --> 02:37:29,471
that we've talked about time travel with

3344
02:37:33,541 --> 02:37:31,330
you know where would you go what would

3345
02:37:35,370 --> 02:37:33,551
you do and I've often had this crazy

3346
02:37:38,490 --> 02:37:35,380
thought you know you travel to the

3347
02:37:40,620 --> 02:37:38,500
future and so you're you know you're

3348
02:37:43,860 --> 02:37:40,630
talking with people you're watching TV

3349
02:37:48,870 --> 02:37:43,870
or something and and it's just like okay

3350
02:37:53,310 --> 02:37:48,880
so so give me something and you hear

3351
02:37:54,541 --> 02:37:53,320
these magical words you know well okay

3352
02:37:58,230 --> 02:37:54,551
here in the future

3353
02:38:00,690 --> 02:37:58,240
we figured out consciousness right

3354
02:38:02,850 --> 02:38:00,700
that's that's the Holy Grail that's what

3355
02:38:06,091 --> 02:38:02,860
you'd want to hear not that we've

3356
02:38:09,450 --> 02:38:06,101
figured out parallel worlds or we

3357
02:38:11,011 --> 02:38:09,460
figured out folding space and time well

3358
02:38:13,770 --> 02:38:11,021
you know those things are given we're

3359
02:38:18,480 --> 02:38:13,780
gonna get there but what about figuring

3360
02:38:19,700 --> 02:38:18,490
out consciousness know we're onto

3361
02:38:23,370 --> 02:38:19,710
something

3362
02:38:27,150 --> 02:38:23,380
folding space and time is an issue of

3363
02:38:31,501 --> 02:38:27,160
consciousness could be good be I don't

3364
02:38:34,381 --> 02:38:31,511
have a clue but you could be it it is

3365
02:38:36,270 --> 02:38:34,391
and and it's like a god I was I always

3366
02:38:39,511 --> 02:38:36,280
get so nervous when I call into the show

3367
02:38:47,190 --> 02:38:39,521
and I have all this I can't get it out

3368
02:38:49,081 --> 02:38:47,200
of my mouth if you studies what you know

3369
02:38:57,631 --> 02:38:49,091
when I sit with you in person you don't

3370
02:39:03,541 --> 02:38:57,641
have a problem talking it's really hard

3371
02:39:10,140 --> 02:39:03,551
on the radio but it okay the quantum

3372
02:39:13,740 --> 02:39:10,150
observer effect is the key to time

3373
02:39:15,910 --> 02:39:13,750
travel and it's not just it's not just

3374
02:39:17,740 --> 02:39:15,920
what you think

3375
02:39:20,230 --> 02:39:17,750
it's the emotion you put into it it's

3376
02:39:21,940 --> 02:39:20,240
the intense you put into it it's the

3377
02:39:27,070 --> 02:39:21,950
entire ball of wax

3378
02:39:31,750 --> 02:39:27,080
it is the quantum of beingness which is

3379
02:39:34,150 --> 02:39:31,760
going to enable us to be able to fault

3380
02:39:37,210 --> 02:39:34,160
time and space it's like grant Cameron

3381
02:39:40,270 --> 02:39:37,220
interviews people who fly quote-unquote

3382
02:39:42,420 --> 02:39:40,280
the ship and the interface between the

3383
02:39:45,520 --> 02:39:42,430
consciousness of a person and the ship

3384
02:39:49,660 --> 02:39:45,530
enables you to go wherever you want to

3385
02:39:54,520 --> 02:39:49,670
go and if and and and it is my opinion

3386
02:39:58,990 --> 02:39:54,530
that when you sit and you imagine things

3387
02:40:02,740 --> 02:39:59,000
or your daydream you're actually going

3388
02:40:05,260 --> 02:40:02,750
places and doing things when you are in

3389
02:40:08,920 --> 02:40:05,270
a dream state you're actually going

3390
02:40:17,280 --> 02:40:08,930
places and doing things it we are so

3391
02:40:24,490 --> 02:40:21,010
materialistic science which has its

3392
02:40:28,620 --> 02:40:24,500
place but isn't isn't the end-all be-all

3393
02:40:33,190 --> 02:40:28,630
of everything that we are unable to

3394
02:40:35,230 --> 02:40:33,200
understand the quantum part of who we

3395
02:40:39,370 --> 02:40:35,240
are we're afraid of it

3396
02:40:42,880 --> 02:40:39,380
we are we are discombobulated we we have

3397
02:40:45,940 --> 02:40:42,890
no way of navigating anything past what

3398
02:40:49,600 --> 02:40:45,950
you can see in touch and and that is

3399
02:40:52,530 --> 02:40:49,610
only one tiny tiny itty-bitty little

3400
02:40:56,340 --> 02:40:52,540
piece of the electromagnetic spectrum

3401
02:40:59,679 --> 02:40:56,350
which we're swimming in at all times

3402
02:41:02,140 --> 02:40:59,689
that's why that's why you are Allison

3403
02:41:04,719 --> 02:41:02,150
Bell right there yeah I know I'm sorry

3404
02:41:07,060 --> 02:41:04,729
I'm sorry I can go up and it would take

3405
02:41:08,980 --> 02:41:07,070
forever to explain it but but I Dean

3406
02:41:11,010 --> 02:41:08,990
Radin was so cool oh thank you thank you

3407
02:41:14,080 --> 02:41:11,020
thank you it was wonderful it was just

3408
02:41:16,620 --> 02:41:14,090
and you have a great rest of your

3409
02:41:19,750 --> 02:41:16,630
evening and have a fantastic weekend

3410
02:41:21,820 --> 02:41:19,760
thank you thank you and I will and this

3411
02:41:23,359 --> 02:41:21,830
was a great the whole leak was actually

3412
02:41:26,359 --> 02:41:23,369
quite actually yeah I was pretty

3413
02:41:26,630 --> 02:41:26,369
yeah yeah really was it was great thank

3414
02:41:34,399 --> 02:41:26,640
you

3415
02:41:38,240 --> 02:41:34,409
right back at ya Alison Bell right there

3416
02:41:43,189 --> 02:41:38,250
let's go to area code 405 you're up next

3417
02:41:51,519 --> 02:41:43,199
on fade to black who's going to AMA gede

3418
02:41:52,819 --> 02:41:51,529
this is who McGee Misskelley student

3419
02:41:56,929 --> 02:41:52,829
okay

3420
02:42:03,769 --> 02:41:56,939
miss Kelly student Matt I did you you've

3421
02:42:07,010 --> 02:42:03,779
stumped the panel or dream the guy with

3422
02:42:10,880 --> 02:42:07,020
the Moore's dream the Mars

3423
02:42:13,580 --> 02:42:10,890
Oh Kelly Oh Kelly so that's all yeah did

3424
02:42:20,510 --> 02:42:13,590
you get a gun come on man you gotta help

3425
02:42:24,139 --> 02:42:20,520
me a little more than that I would

3426
02:42:26,840 --> 02:42:24,149
recommend the book but uh this is a book

3427
02:42:29,240 --> 02:42:26,850
called the magically of thought forms

3428
02:42:32,149 --> 02:42:29,250
and it's put out by a group called the

3429
02:42:34,460 --> 02:42:32,159
sons of light I'm sociated with the

3430
02:42:40,389 --> 02:42:34,470
madam Pawlowski group okay hold on for

3431
02:42:45,319 --> 02:42:40,399
linen can you take me office Speaker I

3432
02:42:47,120 --> 02:42:45,329
don't okay just sounds a little funky to

3433
02:42:54,519 --> 02:42:47,130
me okay continue what was the name of

3434
02:42:57,139 --> 02:42:54,529
the book use of forms okay and it's from

3435
02:43:03,380 --> 02:42:57,149
lots of white group who are associated

3436
02:43:08,030 --> 02:43:03,390
with Madame Blavatsky and creating

3437
02:43:11,439 --> 02:43:08,040
images in your mind helps you to be able

3438
02:43:14,300 --> 02:43:11,449
to manifest in the physical reality and

3439
02:43:16,460 --> 02:43:14,310
it deals with the way that the mind is

3440
02:43:20,030 --> 02:43:16,470
tortured with the super conscious mind

3441
02:43:22,160 --> 02:43:20,040
the subconscious mind and with the

3442
02:43:25,399 --> 02:43:22,170
emotional level being able to both those

3443
02:43:28,969 --> 02:43:25,409
thought images from those levels of mind

3444
02:43:31,670 --> 02:43:28,979
now then to the physical can you tweet

3445
02:43:36,710 --> 02:43:31,680
it out can you can you get the book up

3446
02:43:42,319 --> 02:43:38,479
don't up the cool I can I can see if I

3447
02:43:49,519 --> 02:43:42,329
can find it on Amazon and it was called

3448
02:43:50,599 --> 02:43:49,529
a magical book of of thought forms I got

3449
02:43:56,679 --> 02:43:50,609
it I got it

3450
02:44:02,569 --> 02:43:56,689
what was it written oh boy I think 1995

3451
02:44:09,620 --> 02:44:02,579
and but but it's a group of Blavatsky

3452
02:44:12,260 --> 02:44:09,630
followers Society similar to the

3453
02:44:15,229 --> 02:44:12,270
Rosicrucians okay I got you I'm looking

3454
02:44:20,029 --> 02:44:15,239
at the book here a proven system of

3455
02:44:22,010 --> 02:44:20,039
mental and spiritual empowerment okay

3456
02:44:24,979 --> 02:44:22,020
alright I'll get it up there and Twitter

3457
02:44:30,920 --> 02:44:24,989
and I'll check it out myself and get the

3458
02:44:33,279 --> 02:44:30,930
book that looks like a good read they

3459
02:44:37,149 --> 02:44:33,289
were talking about he was talking about

3460
02:44:40,210 --> 02:44:37,159
individuals and that is something that

3461
02:44:43,069 --> 02:44:40,220
people really do need to be careful with

3462
02:44:48,139 --> 02:44:43,079
if you if you've studied any of the

3463
02:44:50,469 --> 02:44:48,149
Kabbalistic literature you're breaking

3464
02:44:56,929 --> 02:44:50,479
up I can barely hear you

3465
02:44:59,410 --> 02:44:56,939
okay so your warning they're warning

3466
02:45:03,319 --> 02:44:59,420
everybody about sigils to be careful

3467
02:45:05,719 --> 02:45:03,329
right they basically need to do a fair

3468
02:45:09,019 --> 02:45:05,729
amount of studying before going into the

3469
02:45:11,929 --> 02:45:09,029
whole social thing because a lot of the

3470
02:45:14,059 --> 02:45:11,939
letters that are used to create this

3471
02:45:16,250 --> 02:45:14,069
vigil seem to like the Kabbalistic lore

3472
02:45:19,010 --> 02:45:16,260
or indicate was so bored

3473
02:45:21,529 --> 02:45:19,020
our symbols of energy forces of creation

3474
02:45:23,569 --> 02:45:21,539
yeah well there's that part but there's

3475
02:45:27,819 --> 02:45:23,579
also creating your own sigil like a

3476
02:45:34,580 --> 02:45:27,829
dollar sign or a heart right right and

3477
02:45:39,769 --> 02:45:34,590
yeah and over on Joshua P Warren if you

3478
02:45:41,989 --> 02:45:39,779
go to his website he's got some sigils

3479
02:45:45,950 --> 02:45:41,999
there that you can download and print

3480
02:45:51,580 --> 02:45:45,960
out that mean different things and

3481
02:45:54,320 --> 02:45:51,590
I did I did as a matter of fact for

3482
02:45:58,099 --> 02:45:54,330
probably for a couple of weeks I used

3483
02:46:03,080 --> 02:45:58,109
one of them as a screensaver right it

3484
02:46:05,559 --> 02:46:03,090
was my it was my wallpaper and and I did

3485
02:46:08,450 --> 02:46:05,569
I printed out a couple of them and and

3486
02:46:11,719 --> 02:46:08,460
that's all I'm gonna say I'm not gonna

3487
02:46:14,090 --> 02:46:11,729
say which ones or why or if they worked

3488
02:46:16,790 --> 02:46:14,100
or not that's not even the point but it

3489
02:46:18,800 --> 02:46:16,800
is fun to do and at least you're in a

3490
02:46:23,210 --> 02:46:18,810
little bit of a safe zone I'm totally

3491
02:46:26,179 --> 02:46:23,220
with you just like anything else in this

3492
02:46:27,679 --> 02:46:26,189
strange world that that we're and if you

3493
02:46:28,910 --> 02:46:27,689
don't know anything about it don't mess

3494
02:46:31,639 --> 02:46:28,920
with it if you don't know what you're

3495
02:46:33,530 --> 02:46:31,649
doing you know don't play around and I

3496
02:46:35,750 --> 02:46:33,540
think that's always the best thing like

3497
02:46:37,820 --> 02:46:35,760
a Ouija board right doesn't don't play

3498
02:46:42,160 --> 02:46:37,830
around say thank you for the phone call

3499
02:46:44,240 --> 02:46:42,170
and tell Kelly I said yo okay okay okay

3500
02:46:47,349 --> 02:46:44,250
are you gonna get that lady with the

3501
02:46:52,370 --> 02:46:47,359
Ouija board back on that's Karen Dallman

3502
02:46:55,790 --> 02:46:52,380
absolutely okay I know I had so much fun

3503
02:47:00,080 --> 02:46:55,800
doing it so we'll do that again real

3504
02:47:05,450 --> 02:47:00,090
soon thank you so much okay have a great

3505
02:47:07,099 --> 02:47:05,460
weekend and the the the dream on Mars I

3506
02:47:09,200 --> 02:47:07,109
ended up getting a little bit more

3507
02:47:12,349 --> 02:47:09,210
detail on that too as well I'll share

3508
02:47:18,590 --> 02:47:12,359
that with you at a later date hi you're

3509
02:47:23,260 --> 02:47:18,600
live on fade to black area code 602 hey

3510
02:47:29,389 --> 02:47:26,630
there you go how are you how are you oh

3511
02:47:33,469 --> 02:47:29,399
I'm doing great how are you I'm doing

3512
02:47:36,920 --> 02:47:33,479
good so I've been checking out your post

3513
02:47:39,019 --> 02:47:36,930
and I did actually I never do this but I

3514
02:47:44,650 --> 02:47:39,029
did go and listen to a piece of our

3515
02:47:48,620 --> 02:47:44,660
interview together III did it out of

3516
02:47:52,010 --> 02:47:48,630
curiosity because what said it was a

3517
02:47:53,330 --> 02:47:52,020
crazy day but the thing is you know I'm

3518
02:47:54,890 --> 02:47:53,340
talking about what was going on around

3519
02:47:57,680 --> 02:47:54,900
us I remember

3520
02:47:59,871 --> 02:47:57,690
the most the the funnest conversation

3521
02:48:03,081 --> 02:47:59,881
with you but to be I can't listen to

3522
02:48:05,270 --> 02:48:03,091
myself I can't do it yeah I'm only good

3523
02:48:06,860 --> 02:48:05,280
for about it was a great interview it

3524
02:48:09,171 --> 02:48:06,870
was I thought you're so personable

3525
02:48:10,910 --> 02:48:09,181
that's great it was a lot of fun you

3526
02:48:16,640 --> 02:48:10,920
know what I do remember about it I

3527
02:48:20,150 --> 02:48:16,650
remember people stopping it and

3528
02:48:22,371 --> 02:48:20,160
listening to us right and yeah and that

3529
02:48:24,410 --> 02:48:22,381
I do so I thought well you know what

3530
02:48:26,841 --> 02:48:24,420
Natasha is pretty good and we're having

3531
02:48:33,770 --> 02:48:26,851
a good time here so much so that we're

3532
02:48:37,011 --> 02:48:33,780
holding their interest how's the show

3533
02:48:40,700 --> 02:48:37,021
going how are you doing I'm doing well

3534
02:48:42,711 --> 02:48:40,710
the show is going well I I didn't call

3535
02:48:44,060 --> 02:48:42,721
to promote my show I called because I

3536
02:48:44,900 --> 02:48:44,070
was watching I thought you have to reach

3537
02:48:48,650 --> 02:48:44,910
here tonight

3538
02:48:53,121 --> 02:48:48,660
and I wanted to kind of throw my idea in

3539
02:48:56,060 --> 02:48:53,131
the ring that I submit that Buddhist

3540
02:48:59,230 --> 02:48:56,070
monks and people who have done years of

3541
02:49:01,881 --> 02:48:59,240
meditation these people are kind of

3542
02:49:04,251 --> 02:49:01,891
messing with that quantum entanglement

3543
02:49:08,720 --> 02:49:04,261
in terms of marriage between

3544
02:49:10,761 --> 02:49:08,730
consciousness and science and and and

3545
02:49:13,341 --> 02:49:10,771
that exploration of that realm through

3546
02:49:16,341 --> 02:49:13,351
consciousness I would say some

3547
02:49:19,310 --> 02:49:16,351
high-level Buddhist monks have a bead on

3548
02:49:23,060 --> 02:49:19,320
that what do you think about no question

3549
02:49:23,780 --> 02:49:23,070
about it not I mean absolutely no

3550
02:49:28,240 --> 02:49:23,790
question about it

3551
02:49:32,961 --> 02:49:28,250
and if you think about when you go

3552
02:49:35,511 --> 02:49:32,971
anywhere with those traditions not only

3553
02:49:38,331 --> 02:49:35,521
with Buddhist monks but let's talk about

3554
02:49:41,121 --> 02:49:38,341
the Himalayas and what's going on up in

3555
02:49:44,631 --> 02:49:41,131
Tibet right where these traditions go

3556
02:49:49,011 --> 02:49:44,641
back a long long ways and they have

3557
02:49:52,400 --> 02:49:49,021
tapped into something they they may not

3558
02:49:55,160 --> 02:49:52,410
even know what it is right at the

3559
02:49:57,530 --> 02:49:55,170
quantum level but there is absolutely

3560
02:49:58,671 --> 02:49:57,540
something going on there there's no

3561
02:50:00,430 --> 02:49:58,681
question about it you know what there

3562
02:50:04,070 --> 02:50:00,440
was something else though that Dean said

3563
02:50:07,430 --> 02:50:04,080
that I wanted to go back in visit where

3564
02:50:08,059 --> 02:50:07,440
where he said that James Randi would

3565
02:50:11,510 --> 02:50:08,069
only

3566
02:50:13,250 --> 02:50:11,520
except levitation right as evidence

3567
02:50:15,170 --> 02:50:13,260
right and and I thought that that was

3568
02:50:17,090 --> 02:50:15,180
pretty interesting because I wanted to

3569
02:50:20,300 --> 02:50:17,100
go back and look at some of the other

3570
02:50:21,679 --> 02:50:20,310
traditions that have been going on in

3571
02:50:26,349 --> 02:50:21,689
different cultures around the world that

3572
02:50:29,059 --> 02:50:26,359
dealt with just that with levitation and

3573
02:50:35,989 --> 02:50:29,069
the the levitation that we're talking

3574
02:50:38,239 --> 02:50:35,999
about here may only be very short but

3575
02:50:40,809 --> 02:50:38,249
that there is something going on there

3576
02:50:46,029 --> 02:50:40,819
at the quantum level that they are

3577
02:50:48,889 --> 02:50:46,039
affecting a whole lot of small things

3578
02:50:50,559 --> 02:50:48,899
very slightly yes right do you

3579
02:50:53,389 --> 02:50:50,569
understand what I'm trying to say

3580
02:50:55,869 --> 02:50:53,399
correct yeah and I think that adds to

3581
02:50:58,219 --> 02:50:55,879
the idea of group consciousness and

3582
02:51:01,460 --> 02:50:58,229
group efforts at something like that

3583
02:51:06,290 --> 02:51:01,470
where you can magnify that energy and

3584
02:51:10,729 --> 02:51:06,300
that effect mass meditation right so

3585
02:51:14,750 --> 02:51:10,739
that's a want to see this is the thing

3586
02:51:16,880 --> 02:51:14,760
Natasha I don't I don't have questions

3587
02:51:19,340 --> 02:51:16,890
right I don't write stuff out I don't

3588
02:51:22,069 --> 02:51:19,350
make notes I just flow through the show

3589
02:51:23,689 --> 02:51:22,079
and I know my my guests and the subject

3590
02:51:26,929 --> 02:51:23,699
and I like to have fun with that I don't

3591
02:51:28,790 --> 02:51:26,939
like to be constrained with trying to

3592
02:51:29,329 --> 02:51:28,800
ask a question or trying to get to a

3593
02:51:31,369 --> 02:51:29,339
thought

3594
02:51:33,739 --> 02:51:31,379
but that was something else that I

3595
02:51:36,859 --> 02:51:33,749
wanted to ask Dean about was mass

3596
02:51:41,800 --> 02:51:36,869
meditation and and what is going on with

3597
02:51:47,389 --> 02:51:44,179
something is happening there because we

3598
02:51:48,769 --> 02:51:47,399
can see everything changed crime levels

3599
02:51:51,019 --> 02:51:48,779
drop people are calm

3600
02:51:54,109 --> 02:51:51,029
you know things things happen

3601
02:51:56,199 --> 02:51:54,119
instantaneously and what does he think

3602
02:51:58,819 --> 02:51:56,209
is going on there there must be a way to

3603
02:52:02,779 --> 02:51:58,829
to scientifically test it don't you

3604
02:52:04,399 --> 02:52:02,789
think absolutely I would say a clue in

3605
02:52:06,920 --> 02:52:04,409
that direction would be biofeedback

3606
02:52:08,689 --> 02:52:06,930
where people have learned to control

3607
02:52:11,300 --> 02:52:08,699
their heartbeat and blood pressure and

3608
02:52:13,279 --> 02:52:11,310
other physiological responses through

3609
02:52:15,590 --> 02:52:13,289
your consciousness well and he brings up

3610
02:52:18,260 --> 02:52:15,600
random number generators that's one

3611
02:52:21,251 --> 02:52:18,270
thing but what about internet search

3612
02:52:25,301 --> 02:52:21,261
terms right or Internet

3613
02:52:27,611 --> 02:52:25,311
traffic or you know ice spikes of

3614
02:52:31,541 --> 02:52:27,621
Internet traffic because of

3615
02:52:33,371 --> 02:52:31,551
consciousness and thought of course and

3616
02:52:35,890 --> 02:52:33,381
you know I've even thought about that in

3617
02:52:39,401 --> 02:52:35,900
terms of a Super Bowl imagine a whole

3618
02:52:41,501 --> 02:52:39,411
arena full of people focusing on these

3619
02:52:42,911 --> 02:52:41,511
players and and all these people want

3620
02:52:46,180 --> 02:52:42,921
these different outcomes but there's

3621
02:52:47,801 --> 02:52:46,190
only one of two outcomes possible one

3622
02:52:49,930 --> 02:52:47,811
team is going to win one team is going

3623
02:52:52,031 --> 02:52:49,940
to lose and you have all of these people

3624
02:52:54,310 --> 02:52:52,041
with their focused attention on the

3625
02:52:56,111 --> 02:52:54,320
performance of these athletes you know I

3626
02:52:57,761 --> 02:52:56,121
mean if you're going to push the

3627
02:52:59,761 --> 02:52:57,771
boundaries of this kind of thought it

3628
02:53:04,180 --> 02:52:59,771
could even come down to things like that

3629
02:53:07,691 --> 02:53:04,190
but I think that this ties in on a

3630
02:53:12,371 --> 02:53:07,701
deeper level with EDPs and the long

3631
02:53:14,770 --> 02:53:12,381
history of for lack of a better term

3632
02:53:17,020 --> 02:53:14,780
disembodied entities or strange

3633
02:53:18,161 --> 02:53:17,030
phenomena affecting telephone service

3634
02:53:20,831 --> 02:53:18,171
telephone calls

3635
02:53:22,930 --> 02:53:20,841
there have been EVPs people left some

3636
02:53:26,020 --> 02:53:22,940
you know phone messages from people who

3637
02:53:27,581 --> 02:53:26,030
had been deceased and there's a long

3638
02:53:32,140 --> 02:53:27,591
history of this interaction between

3639
02:53:36,310 --> 02:53:32,150
electronic equipment and these other

3640
02:53:40,241 --> 02:53:36,320
realms other dimensions perhaps might be

3641
02:53:40,991 --> 02:53:40,251
a better term of our universe and I just

3642
02:53:42,671 --> 02:53:41,001
think that we live in a

3643
02:53:44,711 --> 02:53:42,681
multi-dimensional universe and this

3644
02:53:46,511 --> 02:53:44,721
stuff kind of bleeds through from

3645
02:53:49,680 --> 02:53:46,521
dimension to dimension and I think one

3646
02:53:52,600 --> 02:53:49,690
day science will figure it out and I

3647
02:53:55,121 --> 02:53:52,610
think they'll explain it through science

3648
02:53:56,921 --> 02:53:55,131
ultimately but I think that they're

3649
02:53:59,291 --> 02:53:56,931
going to find that the ultimate tool of

3650
02:54:04,481 --> 02:53:59,301
exploration for science is consciousness

3651
02:54:07,810 --> 02:54:04,491
that direct experience will one day be

3652
02:54:10,270 --> 02:54:07,820
accepted as evidence or proof of

3653
02:54:15,310 --> 02:54:10,280
different principles now wait a minute

3654
02:54:20,890 --> 02:54:15,320
here if I got a phone call from the

3655
02:54:22,720 --> 02:54:20,900
other side I think I'm kind of freaked

3656
02:54:25,781 --> 02:54:22,730
out I mean that almost sounds scary

3657
02:54:27,100 --> 02:54:25,791
especially on the the time of day you

3658
02:54:30,461 --> 02:54:27,110
know you get that at 2:00 o'clock in the

3659
02:54:37,560 --> 02:54:30,471
morning in a dark room right I'm not so

3660
02:54:49,719 --> 02:54:41,770
well I don't know about okay I find it

3661
02:54:51,639 --> 02:54:49,729
intellectually interesting our emotional

3662
02:54:55,300 --> 02:54:51,649
responses to some of these things that

3663
02:54:56,740 --> 02:54:55,310
use our intellect and and kind of turn

3664
02:54:58,570 --> 02:54:56,750
the coin around and look at the other

3665
02:55:01,929 --> 02:54:58,580
side look at it you know kind of

3666
02:55:06,190 --> 02:55:01,939
backwards and because you know we're

3667
02:55:09,340 --> 02:55:06,200
wired to respond to strange phenomena

3668
02:55:12,340 --> 02:55:09,350
with fear or repulsion because that's

3669
02:55:15,330 --> 02:55:12,350
what kept us safe and allowed us to you

3670
02:55:19,900 --> 02:55:15,340
know survive so but that's a given but

3671
02:55:22,510 --> 02:55:19,910
you know I'm you know the intellectual

3672
02:55:25,139 --> 02:55:22,520
side for me I'm cool with that yeah I

3673
02:55:31,870 --> 02:55:25,149
just don't want to be the the

3674
02:55:33,849 --> 02:55:31,880
participant in the experiment I got a I

3675
02:55:36,910 --> 02:55:33,859
got to wrap the show but where can

3676
02:55:40,210 --> 02:55:36,920
everybody go and listen to you and find

3677
02:55:42,670 --> 02:55:40,220
your stuff you can go to my youtube

3678
02:55:46,150 --> 02:55:42,680
channel which is mysterious forces live

3679
02:55:50,320 --> 02:55:46,160
and I have a canned interview with you

3680
02:55:52,660 --> 02:55:50,330
that was audio only Richard Dolan some

3681
02:55:55,150 --> 02:55:52,670
other folks the show's evolving so

3682
02:55:58,030 --> 02:55:55,160
that's the main hub and you can find me

3683
02:56:01,480 --> 02:55:58,040
on Facebook at mysterious forces live

3684
02:56:03,880 --> 02:56:01,490
and on Twitter it's at my forces lives

3685
02:56:05,290 --> 02:56:03,890
thank you so much Jimmy I appreciate you

3686
02:56:07,540 --> 02:56:05,300
letting me plug my show I really

3687
02:56:09,460 --> 02:56:07,550
appreciate know it's my pleasure and

3688
02:56:13,090 --> 02:56:09,470
what about Twitter were you add on

3689
02:56:16,840 --> 02:56:13,100
twitter twitter mysterious forces live

3690
02:56:21,510 --> 02:56:16,850
and then contact me is at my forces

3691
02:56:25,599 --> 02:56:21,520
lives I had I was just looking for my

3692
02:56:27,160 --> 02:56:25,609
audio drop for you and I can't find it

3693
02:56:31,530 --> 02:56:27,170
out that's how I was gonna play it right

3694
02:56:37,660 --> 02:56:34,150
tonight you know what it was a great

3695
02:56:39,310 --> 02:56:37,670
week too as well but you know it's I'm

3696
02:56:42,639 --> 02:56:39,320
so happy that she called in it's about

3697
02:56:44,200 --> 02:56:42,649
time great thank you so much I'll talk

3698
02:56:46,870 --> 02:56:44,210
to you soon and come on my show please

3699
02:56:48,729 --> 02:56:46,880
come on my show I was just on your show

3700
02:56:51,689 --> 02:56:48,739
now you need to come on my yeah but that

3701
02:56:54,399 --> 02:56:51,699
was in June I do a live stream broadcast

3702
02:56:56,260 --> 02:56:54,409
okay it's only 30 minutes only 30

3703
02:56:59,139 --> 02:56:56,270
minutes of your time there you go

3704
02:57:01,059 --> 02:56:59,149
I'll do it anytime you need me all right

3705
02:57:01,780 --> 02:57:01,069
awesome Jimmy have a good night and have

3706
02:57:04,809 --> 02:57:01,790
a good weekend

3707
02:57:07,630 --> 02:57:04,819
Thank You Natasha I did it again thank

3708
02:57:08,139 --> 02:57:07,640
you so much oh you're welcome thank you

3709
02:57:11,380 --> 02:57:08,149
sir

3710
02:57:14,530 --> 02:57:11,390
have a good night good night you know

3711
02:57:18,490 --> 02:57:14,540
I'm gonna I just want to say we were at

3712
02:57:20,170 --> 02:57:18,500
contact in the desert and Natasha

3713
02:57:21,820 --> 02:57:20,180
invited me over you know for an

3714
02:57:26,260 --> 02:57:21,830
interview we went around the corner had

3715
02:57:28,000 --> 02:57:26,270
the most amazing setup now so here you

3716
02:57:29,530 --> 02:57:28,010
know fade to black right you know and we

3717
02:57:32,229 --> 02:57:29,540
show up out there and we're doing our

3718
02:57:35,320 --> 02:57:32,239
live show and we've got a I walk around

3719
02:57:40,120 --> 02:57:35,330
the corner and Natasha had the studio

3720
02:57:45,099 --> 02:57:40,130
set up of doom digital console re 20

3721
02:57:47,800 --> 02:57:45,109
microphones headphone amps set up and

3722
02:57:52,450 --> 02:57:47,810
I'm like what's going on here look at

3723
02:57:55,300 --> 02:57:52,460
you absolutely a professional and so

3724
02:57:57,219 --> 02:57:55,310
everybody go and check it out mysterious

3725
02:57:59,710 --> 02:57:57,229
forces live I got to get out of here

3726
02:58:03,729 --> 02:57:59,720
we're gonna go and find us a taco truck

3727
02:58:06,820 --> 02:58:03,739
and start our weekend so everybody out

3728
02:58:09,790 --> 02:58:06,830
there just have a great safe awesome fun

3729
02:58:12,399 --> 02:58:09,800
weekend the week that we had here on

3730
02:58:14,710 --> 02:58:12,409
fader block was incredible what we've

3731
02:58:15,160 --> 02:58:14,720
got happening for everybody else next

3732
02:58:17,950 --> 02:58:15,170
week

3733
02:58:20,380 --> 02:58:17,960
just wait till Monday and I'm not joking

3734
02:58:22,809 --> 02:58:20,390
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3735
02:58:25,540 --> 02:58:22,819
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3736
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3737
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3738
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3739
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3740
02:58:39,330 --> 02:58:37,601
space boy music.com fade to black is

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produced by kjsurya for the GameChanger

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network in syndication is K GRA the

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planet broadcast own a copyright of 2018

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by fade to black in the game-changer

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Network it could not be rebroadcast

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downloaded copied or used anywhere in

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the known universe without written

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permission from fade to black for the

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GameChanger network that's it that's

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another week down for fade to black

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we're gonna go start our weekend right

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now we'll see on Monday until then

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everybody be saved

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